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Republicans, All Dressed up, But Nothing More Than Empty Suits
Vanity ^ | 10/09/02 | B. A. Conservative

Posted on 10/09/2002 8:58:50 AM PDT by B. A. Conservative

The election is now only a month away. FreeRepublic blindly backs Republicans regardless of issues or the Republican platform. FreeRepublic and the Republicans expect conservatives to prefer Republicans, if nothing else, because Republicans are the lesser of two socialists. The Emperor has no clothes, and faced with a socialist or a clone, Democratic voters will have no trouble picking the real thing. Conservatives willing to demand a real choice have other options.

The "boomers" will start reaching Social Security's retirement age in October 2008. By 2012, Social Security will become cash flow negative. There are no (none; zero; nada) assets in the so-called Social Security Trust Fund. The intruments in this so-called "trust fund", at best represent promises that Congress will raise taxes, cut benefits or both sufficiently to bring Social Security back into cash flow equilibrium. Political rhetoric and political reality differ. We have all heard the derivative debate regarding counter party risk and the risk of off balance sheet accounting typified by Enron. Social Security and its so-called "trust fund" encompasses the very worst features of both counter party risk and off balance sheet liabilities. Social Security makes Enron, Worldcom, and Global Crossing look good in the off balance sheet accounting department. And Social Security makes JPM and Long Term Capital Management look good in the counter party risk department. All of the financial catastrophes that have come to the United States in our 200 year history have been linear events. If we deal with the impending Social Security crisis within the next five years using the complete voluntary privatization of SS using the Chilean model of the Cato Foundation Plan, the crisis can be contained and kept linear. If we wait longer than five years to completely privatize SS or leave SS under government control, SS becomes a non-linear event with derivative implosion a certainty. It is not financially or politically possible to fund the unfunded liabilities of Social Security much beyond 2012. Politicians will address this problem by destroying the full faith and credit of the United States or by destroying our currency or both.

Speaking as a retired physician, it is not possible to fund the unfunded liabilities of Medicare. Medicare becomes cash flow negative in 2008, well before the "boomers" become eligible for Medicare beginning in 2011. The unfunded liabilities of these two programs are too large to fund through payroll taxes alone. And these liabilities are too large to fund through combinations of benefit cuts or income tax increases. All Americans are over taxed. Government has become a monolithic vulture crippling every American family. It must end now before American families are bled dry.

Every democracy in history has ended in bankruptcy. When the Democratic Party subverted the Constitution, and turned the United States into a serfdom based on socialism, it was necessary to democratize our republic. They succeeded in spades. In order to fund the unfundable, it will be necessary for the government of the United States, no matter whether controlled by Democrats or Republicans, to borrow to or beyond the limits of our credit, to print dollar bills in an unending inflationary spiral until the dollar is worthless and the United States and almost all of its citizens are bankrupt. And this reality will come to pass before there is a presidential election in 2016. All democracies in recorded history end in bankruptcy and so will ours. This is absolutely predictable and if we act now, preventable. We must restore our Constitutional Republic before it becomes too late shortly after the end of the current decade.

Democrats paved the road to socialism in 1936. That road goes off a cliff somewhere between 2012 and 2016. There is a fork in the road to the RIGHT dead ahead. This road offers the only realistic way to avoid the collapse and disintegration of the United States and the only chance to restore freedom and Constitutional law to the first country to realize these dreams or to the people from whom they have been stolen. If FreeRepublic will take the right fork, the Republicans will follow.

I do not want to mislead you into believing that enough Americans will follow the Republican lead. We have seen three clear elections where this is true. Ronald Reagan won two landslide elections running on a strong conservative Constitutional agenda. The Contract with America was a landslide success and gave Republicans control of Congress for the first time in most voters' voting lifetimes. But make no mistake, there are large numbers of Americans now addicted to socialism and serfdom. And this group of Americans is determined to impose slavery on the rest of us. Socialism spawns the unproductive and/or the weakly productive. It penalizes the productive. It is unrealistic to believe the myth that the people of this country are united. Study the map of the 2000election if you have any doubts. I am no longer willing to allow Democrats to impose their socialistic programs on me or my family. If we cannot defeat socialism with ballots, then let them have their own country and run it as they see fit. I intend to excercise my God-given rights and secede if there are sufficient like-minded souls. If not, I will simply leave and find another country that is willing to respect my freedom and the God-given rights of its citizens. And if the Democrats and other socialists choose to interfere with my right to secede or my right to leave peacefully, their blood will be on their own hands. I can speak for no other man, but I am going to live free or am willing to risk death in the attempt. Who among you will join me in demanding the return of our freedom? I am no longer willing to vote for a lesser tyranny. I invite all conservative freedom loving Americans to join me. The battle for freedom doesn't take campaign contributions nor does it require taking to the streets. All it requires is the quite determination to cast your votes only for candidates willing to act to restore the Constitutional rights that we have already lost.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bullshitt; constitution; freedom; socialism; waaaaaaaaa; whine
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To: Wait4Truth
I will vote straight Republican without hesitation.

That means voting for Nixon, McCain, Duke, Ryan and a lot of other really fine politicions. Congratulations.

41 posted on 10/09/2002 11:10:28 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: MEGoody
I will not be wasting my vote on Republicans who do not publically adopt the Contract with Congress. And if the Republicans do not respond to and adopt the Contract with Congress, I very much hope they lose control of both Houses of Congress and many local elections.

After Americans have had a belly full of Democrats, maybe Republicans will figure out how to regain conservative voters before the United States goes broke. Voting for Republicans in empty suits is analogous to Jews shedding their clothes before marching to the showers.

It is amazing to me how many Republican shills are willing to shun freedom and accept the status quo. And the blindness of Freepers who cannot see the trends in place and the inevitable conclusions of those trends in bankruptcy is equally amazing and frightening.

I may have to admit my error that I may have misjudged the entire situation. The facts, conclusions and the strategy are correct. But it maybe that too many Americans are too under educated and too corrupted. My conclusion that the country is salvageable and that the Constitution can be recovered is now very much in doubt based on the first 25 or so replies. The extraordinary superficiality reflected in their replies is frightening.

The disintegration of the American way of life and the destruction of freedom that will follow will be a painful thing to watch. And the destruction of wealth that has been ongoing in markets around the world and that will continue until the markets are fairly valued again will pale in comparison to the US wealth that is going to be destroyed as politicians become desparate to keep the Social Security ship afloat by attempting to fund the titanic unfunded liabilities as they begin maturing.

Voting Republican without a committment from Republicans to the Contract with Congress may keep Republicans in office. But without an agenda for change, no change will be dared until it is too late to matter. When you put your head in the sand, the worst that will happen is that someone may cut your throat. At best you will be showing your a$$. And because your mind is buried, the thoughts that emerge will be little more than hot air.

This thread contains the seeds needed to defeat Democrats and change the United States in a meaningful way. If Republicans win without the Contract with Congress, there will not be any meaningful change and the outcome of the battle for our Constitutional Republic will be very much in doubt. Those among you who believe moderate or liberal Republicans (RINO's) will make any substantive difference in the course of the United States are bordering on delusional. I have every expectation that Republicans must defeat Democrats with ballots won with a conservative agenda, or the day will come where bullets are the only means of recourse.

42 posted on 10/09/2002 11:12:25 AM PDT by B. A. Conservative
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To: billbears
Democrats are more conservative than the Republicans. Strange but true.

Democrats led by Senator Byrd had adopted many of the arguements of the so called conservative constitutionalist. They do so in order to split the republican party.

I find many of the constitutionalist views to be not conservative at all, but to be liberal in every way.(although not socialist in nature)

To be liberal is to be for provacative changes in the way we govern ourselves. That is the definition. A true conservative will protect the status quo and resist change. This you are not, and therefore are not truly conservative.

Frankly, I am not sure what label fits. Conservatism circa 1800 perhaps, but not now. I view your views as anti-everything except personal freedoms that were lost many years ago. (ie: drugs for the most part) I donot see how reverting to anarchy is at all a conservative value.

43 posted on 10/09/2002 11:16:26 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: B. A. Conservative
Socialism and Imperialism are the twin scourges of the current republican administration.

Don't waste my tax funds building an empire on which "the sun will never" set. Like socialism, imperialism is a path to economic ruin, ever-growing government and the end of freedom.
44 posted on 10/09/2002 11:17:10 AM PDT by Pitchfork
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To: deport
"You write a long screed again with a lot of what if's, wouldyas, willyas, if'nonlies, so why don't you take the time to display a list of those candidates that you are so positive will save us from this malady you see. Don't go half way, go the entire mile and finish what you started or else people will have to guess which is the candidate that will lead."

If I could, I would hand you a copy of The Little Engine that Could. The attribute that I like about children's books is that they often illustrate values that adults frequently forget exist.

Other than that, I hope that everything is going well for you ; )

45 posted on 10/09/2002 11:20:58 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: billbears
In some of our local elections the Democrats are more conservative than the Republicans. Strange but true

In Massachusetts, we'd be better off if the Republican Party disbanded, and the Democrats aligned into two groups...fiscally somewhat conservative vs. totally nutty about spending.

Mitt Romney is no better; he ignored the convention in his preference for Lieutenant Governor. I most probably won't vote for him, unless he finds a way to get Kerry Healey off the ticket and Jim Rappaport on.

46 posted on 10/09/2002 11:21:32 AM PDT by grania
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To: ThomasJefferson
The average American now will gladly give up his freedom for the right to control his neighbor. And the average American will gladly give up his freedom in order to get a free payday.

Spot on. The former are in great attendance here.

I will vote straight Republican without hesitation.

That means voting for Nixon, McCain, Duke, Ryan and a lot of other really fine politicions. Congratulations.

Besides trolling people who vote Republican and trashing all Republican politicians, you have anything else to say?

Or are you just BA Conservative's RAH-RAH boy?

47 posted on 10/09/2002 11:23:09 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: grania
I know what you mean. In Illinois, the Republican Party is in shambles and the current Republican candidate for Governor, Jim Ryan, doesn't deserve the job.

In a situation like this, it is hard for a principled conservative voter to choose whether or not to vote for the RINO who doesn't deserve the job and add to the probability of a Democrat winning, or vote for the Libertarian in the hope that this will give a loud signal to the Republican Party in Illinois to become more conservative and less big government.

48 posted on 10/09/2002 11:25:07 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Besides trolling people who vote Republican and trashing all Republican politicians, you have anything else to say?

I never did either of those things. I listed the Republicans I trashed, you may defend them if you wish.

I have even voted for Republicans on occasion. But not blindly as some here have expressed as a preference. I would crawl across burning coals to vote for Ron Paul or anyone like him.

As for the poster who started this thread, I don't remember ever reading anything by him/her before today.

49 posted on 10/09/2002 11:32:23 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: B. A. Conservative
Voting for Republicans in empty suits is analogous to Jews shedding their clothes before marching to the showers.

Thank you for not voting Republican. It would sicken me to think you and I voted for the same candidates.

50 posted on 10/09/2002 11:32:33 AM PDT by Olydawg
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To: wirestripper
I view your views as anti-everything except personal freedoms that were lost many years ago. (ie: drugs for the most part) I donot see how reverting to anarchy is at all a conservative value.

LOL!! You don't know me and just assume apparently that I'm some sort of 'drugs for all' libertarian. Yes I am anti-WOD at the national level, but not at the state level.

And Democrats were not 'led' by Robert Byrd to anything to adopt anything. Some of our most ardent 'Republicans' in the South were former Democrats. Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond come to mind. And if you apparently find constitutionalist views to not be 'conservative' enough, I suggest you pick up and move. This nation of sovereign states was established on said document and every right or power not guaranteed to the federal government(now national) belongs to the states and in some instances the people.

To be liberal is to be for provacative changes in the way we govern ourselves. That is the definition. A true conservative will protect the status quo and resist change. This you are not, and therefore are not truly conservative

This is a joke right? To want to return to the values and style of government before 1860 is liberal? And to maintain status quo within the socialist empire is conservative? You like Social Security? High taxes? National government control at the local level? Public education? You must because to keep those would be maintaining the 'status quo'. And BTW, every one of those a true conservative would have a problem with

51 posted on 10/09/2002 11:38:32 AM PDT by billbears
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To: Wait4Truth
How long are you willing to wait? If you wait too long before you realize you have been scorned, you might find yourself at the altar standing beside a naked bride/groom. Your parents and parents-in-law have stolen your retirement security, and Republican politicians have taxed you and your children into poverty. Excellence in Golf is a search for the truth. Stop waiting and do something.
52 posted on 10/09/2002 11:38:52 AM PDT by B. A. Conservative
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To: billbears
3 entries found for conservatism.





con·ser·va·tism Pronunciation Key (kn-sûrv-tzm)
n.
The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order.
A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and opposition to sudden change in the established order.
Conservatism The principles and policies of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or of the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
Caution or moderation, as in behavior or outlook.


Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.





conservatism

\Con*serv"a*tism\, n. [For conservatism.] The disposition and tendency to preserve what is established; opposition to change; the habit of mind; or conduct, of a conservative.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.





conservatism

n : a political orientation advocating the preservation of the best in society and opposing radical changes
Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

53 posted on 10/09/2002 11:56:41 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: B. A. Conservative
Have you been paying attention to the campaign at all? Apparently not. Don't come here and lecture us. What have you been doing to promote conservatism other than sitting around complaining?
54 posted on 10/09/2002 12:05:42 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: wirestripper
So 'returning' to previous values is liberal? Returning to a more Christian based value system, less government control, and more power to the states is liberal. Well label me a lib then. Right next to Thomas Jefferson and a majority of the Founders of this nation. Pleased to meet you.
55 posted on 10/09/2002 12:07:31 PM PDT by billbears
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To: Saundra Duffy
Well, don't take that too far. In most cases, you are correct, though.
56 posted on 10/09/2002 12:08:21 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
How about voting republican until a third party is formed and has a real alterntative. How about a Freeper party before the next presidential election.

The only way to do better is to start here and now, otherwise I vote republican, and leave the loonies on the left.
Ops4 God Bless America!
57 posted on 10/09/2002 12:12:19 PM PDT by OPS4
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To: ThomasJefferson
Wow! Those people are all on the ballot where Wait4Truth is? Amazing.
58 posted on 10/09/2002 12:12:21 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: B. A. Conservative
Before I make any decisions as to the merits of your argument, can you do one thing for me? Please define what a "real Conservative" is. Thanks.
59 posted on 10/09/2002 12:12:31 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: Republican Wildcat
Wow! Those people are all on the ballot where Wait4Truth is? Amazing.

Try to follow the entire conversation before you put your foot in your mouth. You probably will anyway, but at least you will have an understanding of why you look the fool.

60 posted on 10/09/2002 12:15:39 PM PDT by Protagoras
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