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Brownback Says He is Getting More Calls Against the War than For
Fox News | October 8, 2002 | Miss Marple

Posted on 10/08/2002 7:17:56 PM PDT by Miss Marple

I just heard Senator Brownback of Kansas on Greta's show on Fox say that he is getting more anti-war calls than pro.

I must admit I had not thought to call my own senators because I thought this issue was self-evident. I will call tomorrow.

Meanwhile, I would encourage all Freepers to call your senators and express your opinion about the Iraq resolution that is coming up for a vote.

It seems to me that the democrats, anarchists, and Arab sympathizers have their phone banks going overtime.

Thank you for reading this post, and any calls you make will be appreciated!


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KEYWORDS: iraq; senate; vote; waronterror
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To: Rodney King
The problem is that Bush's rhetoric is clashing with his actions. ... . However, he is sitting around all day trying to gain everyone else's approval,... we should just do it.

If you believe that the military is just "sitting around", and the president is waiting for approval, you have NO concept of war and what is going on. We presently have troops on the ground in nearly a dozen countries fighting terrorism, and many troops engaged in preparation for whatever air strikes and invasion we need to pursue in Iraq.

Normandy didn't happen overnight, nor did Pearl Harbor. There was a great amount of preparation going on beforehand. A similar type of preparation is now occurring... don't be fooled.

81 posted on 10/09/2002 12:34:29 AM PDT by AFPhys
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To: Miss Marple
The mosques probably have phone banks set up already.
82 posted on 10/09/2002 1:07:02 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Miss Marple
And that is exactly why this requires a vote - our political system requires that the people who are supposed to represent us actually do something every now and then.

Congress should consider a declaration of war, and vote on it. And the vote should happen so that the vote is fresh on voters' minds during an election. These people are supposed to represent us - do it!!

83 posted on 10/09/2002 1:09:58 AM PDT by Bernard
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To: Howlin; ohioWfan
There's no substitute for actually making a phone call. The staffers I have talked to tell me they estimate that for each call they
get- pro or con- about 300 more constituents have similar opinions...
84 posted on 10/09/2002 1:33:49 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: ohioWfan
Oh yeah! I'm on it today. Thanks for the heads up!
85 posted on 10/09/2002 4:27:42 AM PDT by looney tune
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To: ohioWfan
I called both yesterday. Voinivich is for the war. DeWine hasn't made up his mind. I'm calling back DeWine today to see if he has. If you find out, can you let me know. I think I'll put a call into Portman too.

I would challenge all to call their senators. Sometimes, we come here to complain or vent, but while that makes us feel better, it doesn't change anything. Call your senators with your concerns. They are the ones who need to hear.

86 posted on 10/09/2002 5:13:38 AM PDT by carton253
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To: ohioWfan
Phil Gramm and Kay Bailey Hutchison are on board !!


87 posted on 10/09/2002 5:53:04 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Miss Marple
Will comply before the morning is out.
88 posted on 10/09/2002 6:52:34 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback
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To: Miss Marple
Will comply before the morning is out.
89 posted on 10/09/2002 6:54:35 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback
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To: Pining_4_TX
Check out Joe Lieberman's piece in the Monday Wall street Journal. Al-Qaida leaders have been and are now harbored by Iraq. That's reason enough for military action under the 9/14 Congressional resolution.

In an age when the deaths of millions can be schlepped around in a briefcase, we have two choices-- Pre-emption or police state. I'll take pre-emption every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

90 posted on 10/09/2002 7:09:03 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback
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To: epow
I am also very concerned about our virtually nonexistent immigration policy. But it isn't an either-or proposition. We can stop Saddam AND tighten up our borders.

Well, I can kind of see his point, to this degree: the current plan seems to be to attack Iraq, while leaving the borders/immigration problem largely undisturbed.

Also, he is right that Saddam doesn't really represent a proximate threat to the United States itself. And I have not seen a lot of evidence tying him to international terrorism aside from paying off the families of Palestinian homicide bombers (of course, so do our "allies", the Saudis). HOWEVER, we certainly DO have interests and allies in the region, and Saddam certainly wishes to expand into Kuwait (already tried it once) and Saudi Arabia.

Saddam is also just unstable enough to lob a nuke at Israel, if he felt the need or desire. And I do not think we should just sit by and allow that to happen. I'm not gung-ho on this war, but if it must be done to save many innocent lives, so be it.

Aside from all this, though, we most certainly do need to get the immigration situation under control, and we should have a cap on total immigration of about 200,000 for the time being, as we cannot reasonably perform background checks on more than that in a timely manner. 200,000/year would allow for quicker assimilation, as well.

91 posted on 10/09/2002 7:37:57 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Mr. Silverback
"Check out Joe Lieberman's piece in the Monday Wall street Journal. Al-Qaida leaders have been and are now harbored by Iraq. That's reason enough for military action under the 9/14 Congressional resolution."

Oh, a real authority has now spoken so we are to throw out those questions posed when only the President, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the Security Advisor stated their suggested plan of actions.

One sentence from Joe Lieberman and all is ok. Yet, the ongoing explanations by this administration were not worth heeding.

Geesh!!!!!
92 posted on 10/09/2002 10:00:20 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: ClancyJ
Bumping the thread. I tried Brownback's office, but HA! All circuits are busy now...

I called Byrd's office, too, and left a message. I was most polite. Grrrrr

202-224-3954
93 posted on 10/09/2002 11:41:25 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Miss Marple
I just called my Rep and Senators - all Dems. Steny Hoyer is for the Presidents resolution and will vote yes. Babs is for Levins resolution of going through the UN. When I said that she is in favor of having the UN dictate policy to the US, the guy on the phone said I am misinterpreting what she stands for. Sarbanes is against the resolution and will vote no on it. I voiced my displeasure.
94 posted on 10/09/2002 12:25:34 PM PDT by 7thson
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To: ohioWfan; Miss Marple
Thanks for the post and ping. I will make those calls!
95 posted on 10/09/2002 12:29:32 PM PDT by hillsborofox
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To: Pining_4_TX
A war against Iraq right now is nuts.

A war against Iraq later is even MORE nuts.

And that is the equation. Do we battle them now before they develop into a more serious threat or do we battle them later. Only an insane person would conclude that waiting till later will be safer than doing it now.

96 posted on 10/09/2002 1:03:43 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Pining_4_TX
The entire logic of your thread is based on the fallacy of false choice. It is possible to shore up our home security while tracking down and attacking terrosits abroad. Its not an either or choice. Also, pointing out their are a number of nuts leading countries is something Bush would agree with in his AXis of evil speech. I am personally comfortable with him focusing on one country per year.

Use logical fallacies in your arguments indicates your still brainwashed by the liberals.

97 posted on 10/09/2002 1:15:23 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Pining_4_TX
Nothing will be solved, because as soon as we leave, there will be another tyrant in charge

When i was in school I was hassled by bullies. I tried just avoiding them. Guess what happened ? I attracted more bullies. Then one day I fought a bully with everything I had. Ever since that day I was never hassled.

98 posted on 10/09/2002 1:19:14 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Rodney King
The problem is that Bush's rhetoric is clashing with his actions.

Not really. The military option takes months of planning and can be done in conjunction with the political.

99 posted on 10/09/2002 1:21:36 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: ClancyJ; Pining_4_TX
Oh, a real authority has now spoken so we are to throw out those questions posed when only the President, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the Security Advisor stated their suggested plan of actions.

One sentence from Joe Lieberman and all is ok. Yet, the ongoing explanations by this administration were not worth heeding.

Geesh!!!!!

Jump to conclusions much?

I didn't cite Lieberman because I revere him or think he's more credible than the Bush crew. I cited Lieberman for numerous reasons:

1. I used someone who is certainly never going to be accused of carrying water for Bush in order to counter Pining_4_TX's mistaken mistrust of the administration on this issue. This was the primary reason I used Lieberman, instead of my own reasoning or evidence from the administration.

2. Lieberman being convinced enough that there are Al-Qaida in Iraq to state it as a certainty in a national daily shows that the Administration has presented unassailable evidence of such. After all, it's not the DNC giving those Intel briefings to the Senate, it's the administration.

3. I used him to point out that this is not new business, it's old, old, old business and it is Anti-Al-Qaida business. Pining wants our home soil protected, and Saddam is colluding with the only terrorists who've killed thousands on our home soil. If she can't see the connection after that, she is contradicting herself.

4. I used him to point out that Iraq is a clear and present danger to the U.S. homeland. Those Al-Qaida boys aren't in Baghdad to go to an Amway meeting. They might just be hiding there...they might be picking up a nuke or a vial of smallpox. I'm not willing to bet millions of American lives on it.

It's time to hit them, early and often. We have not tired, we must not falter, we cannot fail.

100 posted on 10/09/2002 4:29:54 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback
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