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13 Year Old Boy Shot Outside Bowie, Md. Middle School, Not Known if Sniper Related
CNN Breaking news ^ | 07 OCT 02 | DCBryan1

Posted on 10/07/2002 5:42:23 AM PDT by DCBryan1

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To: Shooter 2.5
The President is on. I'm so grateful to God that we have him and his lovely wife.

May God protect them and us all.

Sac

1,921 posted on 10/07/2002 5:04:59 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: relee
I shoot IDPA but I never went prone during our competitions. We have a guy who sets up the scenarios who has bad knees so we only compete in things that he's physically able to do.
I've gone prone to hit some far away targets.
1,922 posted on 10/07/2002 5:07:40 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: relee
I hope they are checking out all reports of stolen white trucks. I think the Fredericksburg getaway was a mid size dark sedan, so I hope they're looking at the car rental agencies and stolen car reports too.

Again these guys want to remain as invisible as possible and the easiest way is to buy a truck/van, at least for the first few hits until people start to notice.

What they *could* try, technology permitting, is a cross reference of recent short term motel stays in the greater area (say, 100 mi. radius if possible) with recent truck/van purchases, recent car rentals, and recent credit card gas purchases. Do a cross check by name and social security number instead of just credit card number (to catch multiple credit card holders). Most people use credit cards these days and those who don't tend to attract unwanted attention, so these guys probably used credit cards too. They might have bought the van with cash as an exception so such a search might not count on that particular item showing up in the results.

These guys are using the safety in numbers technique of avoiding detection. Computerized methods are an efficient and economical way to root them out imho. Also I imagine that the authorities may even be busy doing this kind of search, even as we type...

Relying on locality alone as a guide to casework sounds to me about 30 years out of date, something that might look good as a technique in "Hunter", "Rockford Files" or "Dragnet" but perhaps less than appropriate in today's post-industrial info age...

1,923 posted on 10/07/2002 5:09:09 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: Sacajaweau
Me too.

I'm also glad he's not pre-empting "Buffy".
1,924 posted on 10/07/2002 5:09:12 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5; Travis McGee
This could be as simple as a shooter who has a weapon based on set-up rather than caliber. He could be using a Stoner or a Mini-14 or a Ruger AC-556 because he has a supressor/silencer like the kind Gemtech make. A 30db reduction would limit the signature to .22short noise and during rush hour near a freeway the shot could be masked.

Just a thought.

1,925 posted on 10/07/2002 5:10:53 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: thathamiltonwoman
Also, is there any evidence that the 13 year old was shot with the same gun that got the other victims? This is PG County after all.

Yes, there is. Doctors got enough of the bullet to indicate a connection. I don't know if that means the same type of bullet, or fired from the same gun. I was under the impression that making the "same gun" determination on center fire high velocity rifle bullets isn't very easy or reliable.

1,926 posted on 10/07/2002 5:12:04 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: cajungirl
the child was 13, was his mother walking him into school? Do parents do that for a 13 year old?

It was his Aunt, and she was dropping him off, just like millions of parents and others do daily.

While there aren't enough cops to stake out everyplace these bozos could target, there are enough riflemen, who are likely better shots than most of the police (not necessarily the police snipers). It's time for the Sherrif or the governor to call out the posse/militia.

1,927 posted on 10/07/2002 5:19:45 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: ET(end tyranny)
We should pay close attention to anything where they use God instead of Allah

Remember you are reading a translation, "God" is a translation of "Allah". That's true whether the Judeo-Christian "God: and Muslim "God" are one and the same or not.

1,928 posted on 10/07/2002 5:24:01 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: nunya bidness
Witnesses have heard gunshots before so it doesn't sound like the killer is too interested in concealing where the shots came from.

I think the killer has been very careful about hitting people who were by themselves or close to it. If he hit a so-called gun free zone today, I wonder if a Hospital won't be targetted next unless hospitals have too many police officers hanging around. Nursing Home? Someone young and then someone old?
1,929 posted on 10/07/2002 5:31:48 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: nunya bidness
Yes, but even with a silencer you would still have the CRACK of the bullet breaking the sound barrier.
1,930 posted on 10/07/2002 5:32:23 PM PDT by Lord Marshal
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To: Lord Marshal
I understand but my point is that bullet flight noise would be less directional and only confuse witnesses as to the direction of the source. This adds time to the escape and evasion.

The aunt that dropped the boy off today said she didn't react to a shot, she said she reacted when she saw the boy slump over.

1,931 posted on 10/07/2002 5:45:36 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: Lord Marshal
Don't know anything about weapons. My kids don;t even like me near tools 'cause I always wind up wounded...So help me if you can with my questions...

How many different weapons will take the 223?? What would they look like and what would be the min/max length??Can they be broken down and how quickly?? Would it fit into a packpack if it was broken down quickly??

The guy only needs a minute until people figure out something is going on and then the concentration would be on the victim for several minutes.

Sac

1,932 posted on 10/07/2002 5:45:44 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: kinghorse
Your more likely to be whacked by a meteorite than be the unfortunate victim taken down by this predator.

This one sure. But your risk depends on how many like this one (or this pair) there are, doesn't it?

1,933 posted on 10/07/2002 5:47:31 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
If I had to make a guess, I'd say the next hit would be in the Suitland area along the line between hits #7 & 8 and getting closer to the Capitol.

Sac

1,935 posted on 10/07/2002 5:53:49 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sender
Canada? Moose? With an AR-15? Come on, lady, I could be a better criminal profiler than that! Jeez!

Never mind the AR-15, moose with a .223? I'd invite her to have go at it, but since she's probably not a great shot, given her apparent unfamiliarity, she'll be allowed to get much closer to the moose, before seriously ticking him off. :) I was watching an "outdoor" show on Saturday where they were shooting Moose in Alaska, (while FRreeping of course) with something more appropriate than a .233, and every moose they shot ran a considerable distance before dropping. The guide wouldn't let them even get close to the moose for 15-20 minutes afterwards, just to be sure, even then he required the shooter to have his gun at the ready and sent his assistant up with rifle in hand, pointed at the moose, to check to see if the bugger was indeed dead.

1,936 posted on 10/07/2002 5:57:44 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: SteveH
Just another thought that occurred... California has something called an "Amber Alert" which is used for child kidnappings and tied to state freeway overhead programmable signs. The "Amber Alert" has been used with considerable success in the approx. one year since it was started.

Something like the Amber Alert could be used for terrorism. In this case, one thing that would help it seems to me is a concise up to date list of facts about the case that are already in the public domain, ona website hosted by whatever appropriate government agencies.

People would then be free to view the facts for themselves and it would help them be on the lookout for suspicious individuals and activity. Right now the press conference way of getting info out seems too hit and miss (viz. description of the bullets, getaway vehicles, races of the victims, and potential firearm types). Even the people running the press conferences seem to get very flustered by the national attention and make simple terminology mistakes. The media tends to take the flashiest tidbits of information and amplify them (assault rifle, etc.), misrepresenting or blowing some facts out of proportion, while omitting other useful facts. This is not an effective and efficient way to get useful help from the public at large, imho.

Anyway just a thought.

1,937 posted on 10/07/2002 5:57:45 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: Sacajaweau
I counted 53 rifles that take a .223 cartridge listed last year. About a dozen are an AR type. There's two or three pistols that take the same round.

And there's about seven cartridges that take the same bullet
1,938 posted on 10/07/2002 5:59:50 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: texasbluebell
What the heck kind of bullets is this creep using?

.223 or 5.56x45 in full metal jacket, as used by the US military, will cause that kind of damage, sometimes anyway.

1,939 posted on 10/07/2002 5:59:57 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: samuel_adams_us
"I disagree, .22 can kill a person easily from 75 yards."



I certainly wouldn't volunteer to be a target at that range. I have shot 22lr all my life and I know what they will do, especially when using the hyper velocity hollow points. There is 22 long rifle and then there is 22LONG RIFLE.
1,940 posted on 10/07/2002 6:01:12 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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