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MD shooting update: Shell found in VA is a .223 caliber, shooting in DC now linked too
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Posted on 10/04/2002 7:21:58 PM PDT by newsperson999

A shell was found near that shooting this afternoon in VA that was found to be a 223 cal fired from a high powered rifle..also test confirm that the man that died in DC last night also died from the same type of ammo..


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To: newsperson999
High powered? Bwah, that's a popgun. 

Now this is high powered.


21 posted on 10/04/2002 7:31:57 PM PDT by FatherTorque
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To: bonesmccoy
Link to weapon

Not allowed for some reason to show the gun!!

22 posted on 10/04/2002 7:32:04 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: LikeLight
I just went to a DC TV station website and pulled this info.

By STEPHEN MANNING
Associated Press Writer

ROCKVILLE, Md. (AP) - Two men, a driver and a shooter, are being sought for the deaths of five people gunned down in the Washington suburbs hours and miles apart from each other, police said Friday.

Police are searching for a truck similar to one of these. Police believe it has writing on the side and may have damage to the rear lift. (Photo/ Montgomery County Police)
Police were also still looking for a white cargo van, and had refined their description of the vehicle, but did not release the additional details, Montgomery County police chief Charles Moose said.

The description of the van and two men first came from a single witness at the scene of one of the shootings, but Moose refused to say whether that was the only witness.

"You've got a driver, you've got a shooter," Moose said.

"In terms of whether that turns out to be a mistake, I want to say no lead is a mistake. We will search down all leads, if we track down the truck and it turns out not to be involved then that is the case."

Moose said investigators were tracking down more than 200 leads. A man arrested near the scene of one of the shootings turned out not to be involved, the police chief said.

"We really don't know when the big break is going to come," the police chief said.

"This is not the only case in America that hasn't been solved. We're certainly not many hours into this investigation."

The FBI, meanwhile, would not have a psychological profile by the end of Friday as previously announced. The ATF also brought in a "geographical profiler," who deals with "location and physical boundaries to determine patterns," Moose said.

Scores of officers searched for the sniper, who is believed to have randomly targeted the five, killing each with a single shot from a high-powered weapon. Moose also said police were looking into a shooting Thursday night in Washington to see if it was related. In that shooting, Pascal Charlot, 72, of Washington, was shot once in the chest as he stood on a street corner in Northwest Washington.

Moose said investigators would wait for forensic results before deciding.

"I'm not denying we have extreme interest, but we are going to wait for the science," Moose said.

Washington police spokesman Joe Gentile said "nothing has been ruled out."

"There is nothing at this point to indicate a connection. However, obviously we will take a close, hard look as to whether they are related," Gentile said.

Autopsies on the victims have also been completed, and the bodies are being returned to their families. The first funeral could be held as early as Sunday, Moose said.

A $50,000 reward was offered as evidence indicated all five were hit from a distance, likely with .223-caliber bullets from an assault or hunting rifle, Moose said.

Classes, meanwhile, were held at schools Friday with extra patrols, and residents were fearful. Calls poured into 911 dispatchers about loud noises, but all the reports were investigated, Moose said.

"People are on edge," Moose said. "We're all human. We're all afraid."

At a gas station in Rockville, a 42-year-old woman from Washington could be seen ducking as she filled her gas tank.

"I'm concerned that somebody in a truck might take a shot at me," said the woman, who refused to give her name.

Joseph Riehl, a spokesman for the Baltimore office of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, would not comment on whether any slugs had been recovered.

Investigators are "90 percent" certain the five were all killed with a .223-caliber weapon, police said.

Riehl, however, said a person with reasonable shooting skills could accurately use a weapon loaded with .223 rounds from about 150 yards. Riehl said such weapons can be accurate up to 600 meters, or about 650 yards.

"Probably you're going to have better success if a weapon has a scope, but that's not to say people using a weapon without a scope couldn't be just as accurate," Riehl said.

There were no known witnesses to the shootings even though the shootings happened in daylight in public places. All the victims died within five miles of one another during a 16-hour span Wednesday and Thursday.

"There's still no information to lead us to think our victims are associated," Moose said Friday. "They don't appear to be anyone's enemies, just random targets."

Police searched for white trucks and vans in the area after a witness reported seeing a white box truck speeding away from one shooting.

Officers also collected security camera videos from businesses near the shooting scenes, including two grocery stores. Moose said authorities were reviewing a surveillance tape from one of the scenes but he declined to release details.

Authorities also set up a tip hotline for information leading to the arrest and indictment of the suspects.

The killings began early Wednesday evening. Around 6 p.m., James D. Martin, 55, of Silver Spring, a program analyst for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, was shot in the parking lot of a Wheaton grocery store.

Around 7:45 a.m. Thursday, James L. "Sonny" Buchanan, 39, Arlington, Va., was killed while cutting grass at a car dealership in the White Flint area. He stumbled toward the building before collapsing as dozens of employees ran toward him.

Prenkumar Walekar, 54, of Olney, was shot about 8:15 a.m., while pumping gas into his cab at a Mobil station in the Aspen Hill area. About a half-hour later, Sarah Ramos, 34, of Silver Spring, died at a post office next to the Leisure World retirement community in Silver Spring.

In the fifth shooting, Lori Ann Lewis-Rivera, 25, of Silver Spring, was shot and killed about 10 a.m. at a Shell gas station in Kensington. Mechanics said they heard the shot but didn't see who shot Lewis-Rivera, who was vacuuming her van.

Montgomery County school officials said extracurricular activities would be held as planned, including football games scheduled Friday night and other athletic events.

(Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

23 posted on 10/04/2002 7:32:32 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: yarddog
Yeah, I've seen that ad. Very funny.
24 posted on 10/04/2002 7:32:34 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: newsperson999
It'd be nice if they could find a shell casing. But in the earlier shootings, there were none to be found. A cup of coffee the reporter's wrong.
25 posted on 10/04/2002 7:32:59 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Nitro
News said bullet passed through body.
26 posted on 10/04/2002 7:34:08 PM PDT by sissyjane
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To: newsperson999
5 dead we knew about in MD . . . then they confirmed that the guy in DC was taken out by the same kind of round, so 6 . . . in the misery of all this I forgot that the poor lady in VA today lived . . . so 7 shot . . . then there was the first incident when the Michael's store was shot, but nobody was hit . . . 8 total incidents, 6 dead, 1 wounded . . . sorry for my confusion!
27 posted on 10/04/2002 7:34:13 PM PDT by LikeLight
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To: FatherTorque
Is that duct tape holding the barrel together, or is your rifle wearing a necktie? :)
28 posted on 10/04/2002 7:34:20 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: jackbill
"what's a 223 cal weapon used in?

War."

Hah!

Another answer: Militia weapons!

29 posted on 10/04/2002 7:35:21 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: Nitro
Why does the shooter need a large magazine with a rig/scope/rifle like that? The shootist ought to be able to down the game in one shot with that thing!
30 posted on 10/04/2002 7:35:42 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
what's a 223 cal weapon used in?

Out here in the West we use them for shooting varmits...also 222 and 22/250.

31 posted on 10/04/2002 7:35:55 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: bonesmccoy
"I sure hope the liberal left doesn't use this incident to argue in favor of gun registration..."

The media out there was asking folks this morning to call the authorities if they knew anyone that has, or might have, a rifle.

32 posted on 10/04/2002 7:35:56 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: newsperson999
Greta Van Susteren just stated that we should all be on the watchout for people who spend a lot of time practicing shooting or have some sort of obsession with guns because thats the tip the police need.

Nice eh?
33 posted on 10/04/2002 7:36:06 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: newsperson999
I wish these reporters didn't display their ignorance of firearms so prominently. The .223 isn't a high-power rifle by anybody's standards. It's basically a .22 LR bullet in front of a larger cartridge case. The .223 (5.65 NATO) was introduced as a further downsizing from the .308 Win (7.62 NATO) which itself was a downsizing from the military full size .30'06 cartridge. And that doesn't even take into account the REAL high-power stuff like the Weatherbys and Holland & Holland magnums.

Basically anybody can shoot the .223 (very little recoil) and it's chambered for all sorts of rifles. This isn't necessarily some sort of super sniper "Day of the Jackal" type guy. But I hope the police nail him soon. The anti-gunners are dancing with glee in the blood of the slain.

34 posted on 10/04/2002 7:36:33 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: Rodney King
.223 has a massive cartridge for the powder... it has a very high energy projectile. It will literally turn a rabbit or other small varmint INSIDE OUT.... fur to the inside....

It travels WAY faster than the speed of sound, and is pretty much unstoppable by MOST body armor...

It takes a HIGH powered rifle, that has a very strong chamber, to handle the amount of powder in the cartridge.

It's not a glorified 22 caliber. It's shell casing is nearly as large capacity as a 30-30 is for powder...

fwiw. It is a military round.

35 posted on 10/04/2002 7:37:21 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: PLMerite
That barrel gets a little warm after a bit. I found that a strategically placed bandana is big plus. ;)
36 posted on 10/04/2002 7:37:24 PM PDT by FatherTorque
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To: newsperson999
On CNN they called the .223 round "high caliber"!
37 posted on 10/04/2002 7:37:53 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Arkinsaw
Greta Van Susteren just stated that we should all be on the watchout for people who spend a lot of time practicing shooting or have some sort of obsession with guns because thats the tip the police need.

Oh, but we can't profile Arabs. Just target shooters. Nice.

38 posted on 10/04/2002 7:37:59 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: AnAmericanMother
It's basically a .22 LR bullet in front of a larger cartridge case.

"larger" being the operative word.
much larger.
39 posted on 10/04/2002 7:39:18 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: newsperson999; aristeides; Joe Hadenuf; Dog; tracer; abner
Not too many know about the 72 year old man shot in DC last night (I didn't know he died) because of the press blackout.

I just now found out it was related to the others.

The public needs to be informed and safe and ever watchful.
40 posted on 10/04/2002 7:39:42 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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