Friday Sermons in Saudi Mosques: Review and Analysis

MEMRI ^ | 9/26/02

[ml/nj]

Lots more from the Religion of Peace at the link given above.

ML/NJ

[goldstategop]

Yes they really are tolerant of Jews and Christians over there. So much so they barbequed them in New York, Pennslyvania, and Washington D.C in the sky and on land the past 9-11 as a demonstration of peace and goodwill.

[AzJP]

MEMRI is unbiased and impartial kinda' like Bill and Hillary are paragons of marital virtue.

kj

[DWSUWF]

Call me picky, but I just can't take seriously anything babbled by a follower of a gutter religion/criminal conspiricy founded by a murdering child sex abuser who had some 'peculiar' issues about dogs in his closet.

[swarthyguy]

>>The call by [the Pope] - may Allah punish him as he deserves - to the people of the [different] religions in Syria to live in peaceful coexistence is nothing more than an audacious call for the unification of religions, in accordance with the principle of human religious harmony

Not even a modicum of respect for the Pope. Of course, ml/nj, you realise this is not the true face of islam; just because they said it.....

[mitchbert]

MEMRI is unbiased and impartial kinda' like Bill and Hillary are paragons of marital virtue.

Um, they're not exactly making this stuff up, you know. How is reporting verbatum what these so-called holy men spew from their mosques biased? Or did you forget the sarcasm tag?

[goldstategop]

This IS the true face of Islam. To them Jews and Christians are sub-humans, more repulsive than even rats and only fit to be slaughtered with the sword. These are not your liberal touchy-feely types; these people are dead serious about jihad and moreover its not just blood-curdling rhetoric to set one's hair on end. We got a taste of what Islam's really all about last September.

[swarthyguy]

[tomahawk]

When will you be providing your translation?

[weikel]

More evidence that every Islamic cleric needs to be put to the sword.

[tomahawk]

I'm particularly interested in how your translation differs from MEMRI on this part:

http://www.alminbar.cc/alkhutab/khutbaa.asp?mediaURL=1220

[AzJP]

Biased because they don't report the other sides. MEMRI is an easy touch: all you have to do is get a half-baked "all Jews use children's blood in baked goods" story and tease MEMRI into a free lunch to tell your story. MEMRI uses that story, and business deductible lunch tab, to solicit funds from bleeding hearts. Pay themselves nice salaries, and have another lunch looking for the sort of stories, real or not, to get cash sympathy from unsuspecting bleeding hearts.

Not rocket science, been going on profitably for decades. Jesse Jackson was a master gamer.

kj

[tomahawk]

BS

[AzJP]

I have no problem with the literal translation. I have a problem with looking for ways to support a pre-conceived position.

IF I wanted to, I could form a non-profit organization that could come up with tons of literature testifying that certain baked hams from Memphis have the likeness of Elvis in the glaze without any meddling from the cooks. There are people that would send me charitable donations to continue the good work.

kj

[tomahawk]

Fair enough. But some "pre-conceived positions" are based upon past evidence, and on-going evidence. My pre-conceived positions of liberal Democrat opposition to the impending war on Iraq, based upon prior evidence, and now confirmed with recent events, turned out to be true.

In this piece, MEMRI is tranlating Islamic clerics' sermons, many of which are posted on the Web. Check MEMRI's footnotes.

[ml/nj]

I have no problem with the literal translation. I have a problem with looking for ways to support a pre-conceived position.

You mean, like presenting evidence?

Can you point us to a couple of web-sites with contrary evidence?

ML/NJ

[mitchbert]

The fund solicitation element may be true, but they're a media institute not a charity, after all. In any case just about any organization does its work with certain pre-existing outlooks otherwise the people involved would likely have never got together. My point, however, is in line with some other replies here; that being that they're reporting actual events not inventing them. There's a big difference IMO between bending something to fit a position (Jackson, often) and merely reporting something verbatum that fits your outlook. These sermons actually occur, and they're not uncommon. If there are moderate imams in SA preaching coexistance with Jews and Christians you think we'd hear about them, MEMRI aside. We don't, and that's the problem.

[Guillermo]

And the Jihadist leaders in this country (along with their left-wing appeasers) condemn Franklin Graham.

What do they say about these sermons in the land of Mohammedanism?

[fporretto]

I feel as if I've been writing about these clowns nonstop for a whole year. Maybe I have.

When Thomas Aquinas declaimed that true religion does not require a man to set aside his rationality, he might not have been thinking of Islam. Then again, he might, as an example of a religion that didn't qualify. No religion can claim that persons of differing religious beliefs have different rights because of their beliefs, and still be a true religion that embodies the natural moral law.

Another giveaway to the falsity of Islam is its certainty, the conviction of absolute accuracy by which it sanctifies conversion by the sword and the execution of apostates. The ministers of a wholesome religion will always admit to you that they might be wrong, that what they're telling you is the best they know, not a set of guarantees you can take to the celestial bank. The reason for this is obvious: no mortal is capable of determining whether an entity's claim to be God is true or false.

That's what gave rise, ironically enough, to the Catholic principle weirdly misnamed "papal infallibility." That doctrine, contrary to the popular conception, does not declare that the Pope cannot be wrong on matters of faith or morals; rather, what it states is that any Catholic who follows papal dictates, even if they're absolutely wrong, is spiritually indemnified for it, because he's following the guidance of Christ's Vicar on Earth, and therefore is doing the best he knows.

Islam is not a religion. In all the essentials, it differs from every wholesome religion on Earth. It's a rationale for world conquest and totalitarian oppression, under a theological veneer.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
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[Shryke]

I contest your logic here AzJP. You have indicated that MEMRI is clearly supporting itself through positioning the media it translates in a biased way. Or, "looking for ways to support a pre-conceived position". Additionally, you assert that can you produce a large amount of literature attesting to the Elvisness of ham glaze in order to illustrate your point.

Here's the problem: everyone aside from the blind can make their own judgement regarding ham glaze. However, very few people can do the same about media published in Arabic. MEMRI reports on certain areas of Arab media (who gives a fart about the weather?), but that means nothing in itself (that is like faulting ESPN for not covering Fall Fashions). MEMRI does not distort, enhance, or otherwise filter the material they translate. Therefore, any conclusions raised about the material are the reader's own. If you wish to contend that MEMRI ignores a balanced amount of moderate Arab media, or even tolerant Arab media, please do so. I suspect you will have a hard time due to the lack of material.