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Friday Sermons in Saudi Mosques: Review and Analysis
MEMRI ^ | 9/26/02

Posted on 09/27/2002 10:00:49 AM PDT by ml/nj

Part I - 'The Christians and the Jews are "Infidels," "Enemies of Allah"'
The majority of sermons discuss Christians, Jews, or the "Camp of Kufur"[2] concurrently. However, some sermons specifically target Christians and Christianity. In a sermon delivered at the Al-Salaam mosque in 'Al-Unayzah, Sheikh Abd Al-Muhsin Al-Qadhi said: "Today we will talk about one of the distorted religions, about a faith that deviates from the path of righteousness… about Christianity, this false faith, and about the people whom Allah described in his book as deviating from the path of righteousness. We will examine their faith, and we will review their history, full of hate, abomination, and wars against Islam and the Muslims."

"In this distorted and deformed religion, to which many of the inhabitants of the earth belong, we can see how the Christians deviate greatly from the path of righteousness by talking about the concept of the Trinity. As far as they are concerned, God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost: three who are one…"

"They see Jesus, peace be upon him, as the son of Allah… It is the Christians who believe that Jesus was crucified.[3] According to them, he was hanged on the cross with nails pounded through his hands, and he cried, 'My God, why have you forsaken me?' According to them, this was so that he would atone for the sins of mankind…"

"Regardless of all these deviations from the path of righteousness, it is possible to see many Muslims… who know about Christianity only what the Christians claim about love, tolerance, devoting life to serving the needy, and other distorted slogans… After all this, we still find people who promote the idea of bringing our religion and their's closer, as if the differences were miniscule and could be eliminated by arranging all those [interreligous] conferences, whose goal is political…" [4]

While Islam considers both Jews and Christians "People of the Book" - i.e. non-Muslims with special status under Islamic rule - Sheikh Abd Al-'Aziz Qari discussed the differences between the religions in a sermon delivered at the Qabaa mosque in Al-Madina: "Two groups - the Jews and the Christians - are the main elements constituting the 'Camp of Kufur' and will continue to be its two foundations until Allah allows their downfall and annihilation at the end of days..."

"When the Prophet Muhammad was sent out, the 'Camp of Kufur' declared war on his message. At the center of this war were these groups, particularly the Jews. These two groups will continue to serve as the grindstones of the conflict and the war between belief and Kufur until eternity comes… The conflict will end when Jesus the son of Mary, peace be upon him, arrives to break the cross and wipes it off the face of the earth, and kills the blind [false] Messiah, the leader of the Jews and the tyrant whom they await. Until that day, the conflict between us, the Muslims, and the Jews and Christians will continue, and it will ebb and flow, one day ours, another day theirs…"

"The Jews are the objects of Allah's [promised] wrath, while the Christians deviate from the path of righteousness… The Koran described the Jews as a nation cursed by Allah, a nation at which he was angry - some of whom he turned into apes and pigs…"[5]

International initiatives aimed at promoting interreligious harmony have been condemned by many Saudi preachers. In a sermon at a Mecca mosque, Sheikh Adnan Ahmad Siyami said, "[Islam] believes that only Islam and the 'Camp of Kufur' exist, and that there is no way to reach Paradise and to be delivered from Hell except by walking in the path of our Prophet Muhammad and joining Islam. Any other way leads to Hell… In light of this, my believing brethren, how can it be claimed that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all paths leading to Allah?!…"

"Several years ago, a sinful call arose, which unfortunately garnered support from some clerics and preachers of this religion, Islam… [a call] for the unification of the monotheistic religions. They flaunted an empty and false slogan of 'religious harmony,' Christian-Islamic friendship, and uniting the three religions into a global religion'…"

"The call for the unification of the religions is a call for the abolition of religious differences among people: No more Muslim and infidel. All will come under the unity of human harmony… This accursed call has ramifications that most certainly will shake Islam in the hearts of its people, leading them to the lowest of the levels of Hell. This call will lead… to presenting the infidels' schools of thought as correct, and to silence regarding them; to permitting conversion to Judaism and Christianity with no shame whatsoever; to the abolition of the vast difference between the Muslims and others - a difference underpinning the conflict between truth and falsehood; to the transformation of the religion of Islam into a religion like the other, false religions, into a religion that has no advantage over the other religions…; to refraining from calling [people] to join Islam, because if the Muslim wants to do so, he must tell the truth about the infidels… This will also facilitate the conversion to Christianity in Muslim lands."

"The Pope's recent visit to Syria, to the Al-Umawi mosque is, without a doubt, another manifestation of that call. The call by [the Pope] - may Allah punish him as he deserves - to the people of the [different] religions in Syria to live in peaceful coexistence is nothing more than an audacious call for the unification of religions, in accordance with the principle of human religious harmony… This Pope, the head of the Catholic Church, and those behind him calling for the unification of the religions, are the descendants of the Spanish inquisitors who tortured the Muslims most abominably… They are the descendants of those who led the Crusades to the Islamic East, in which thousands of Muslims were killed and their wives taken captive in uncountable numbers. They are the perpetrators of the massacres in Bosnia-Herzegovina… in Kosovo, in Indonesia, and in Chechnya… Can we expect compassion from these murderous wolves? What made the Pope go on his visit was his dissatisfaction with the robbing of the Muslims' lands; he wanted also to rob their religion, so that they lose both this world and the Hereafter…"

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Lots more from the Religion of Peace at the link given above.

ML/NJ

1 posted on 09/27/2002 10:00:49 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Yes they really are tolerant of Jews and Christians over there. So much so they barbequed them in New York, Pennslyvania, and Washington D.C in the sky and on land the past 9-11 as a demonstration of peace and goodwill.
2 posted on 09/27/2002 10:04:21 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: ml/nj
MEMRI is unbiased and impartial kinda' like Bill and Hillary are paragons of marital virtue.

kj

3 posted on 09/27/2002 10:08:57 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: ml/nj
Call me picky, but I just can't take seriously anything babbled by a follower of a gutter religion/criminal conspiricy founded by a murdering child sex abuser who had some 'peculiar' issues about dogs in his closet.
4 posted on 09/27/2002 10:09:04 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: ml/nj
>>The call by [the Pope] - may Allah punish him as he deserves - to the people of the [different] religions in Syria to live in peaceful coexistence is nothing more than an audacious call for the unification of religions, in accordance with the principle of human religious harmony

Not even a modicum of respect for the Pope. Of course, ml/nj, you realise this is not the true face of islam; just because they said it.....
5 posted on 09/27/2002 10:13:25 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: AzJP
MEMRI is unbiased and impartial kinda' like Bill and Hillary are paragons of marital virtue.

Um, they're not exactly making this stuff up, you know. How is reporting verbatum what these so-called holy men spew from their mosques biased? Or did you forget the sarcasm tag?

6 posted on 09/27/2002 10:16:22 AM PDT by mitchbert
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To: swarthyguy
This IS the true face of Islam. To them Jews and Christians are sub-humans, more repulsive than even rats and only fit to be slaughtered with the sword. These are not your liberal touchy-feely types; these people are dead serious about jihad and moreover its not just blood-curdling rhetoric to set one's hair on end. We got a taste of what Islam's really all about last September.
7 posted on 09/27/2002 10:16:40 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: swarthyguy

8 posted on 09/27/2002 10:16:40 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: AzJP
When will you be providing your translation?
9 posted on 09/27/2002 10:18:16 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: swarthyguy; Roger_W_Isom; Ohioan; fporretto; dennisw; Centurion2000; Goetz_von_Berlichingen; ...
More evidence that every Islamic cleric needs to be put to the sword.
10 posted on 09/27/2002 10:26:46 AM PDT by weikel
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To: AzJP
I'm particularly interested in how your translation differs from MEMRI on this part:

http://www.alminbar.cc/alkhutab/khutbaa.asp?mediaURL=1220
11 posted on 09/27/2002 10:30:27 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: mitchbert
Biased because they don't report the other sides. MEMRI is an easy touch: all you have to do is get a half-baked "all Jews use children's blood in baked goods" story and tease MEMRI into a free lunch to tell your story. MEMRI uses that story, and business deductible lunch tab, to solicit funds from bleeding hearts. Pay themselves nice salaries, and have another lunch looking for the sort of stories, real or not, to get cash sympathy from unsuspecting bleeding hearts.

Not rocket science, been going on profitably for decades. Jesse Jackson was a master gamer.

kj

12 posted on 09/27/2002 10:33:07 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: AzJP
BS
13 posted on 09/27/2002 10:34:46 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: tomahawk
I have no problem with the literal translation. I have a problem with looking for ways to support a pre-conceived position.

IF I wanted to, I could form a non-profit organization that could come up with tons of literature testifying that certain baked hams from Memphis have the likeness of Elvis in the glaze without any meddling from the cooks. There are people that would send me charitable donations to continue the good work.

kj

14 posted on 09/27/2002 10:39:13 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: AzJP
Fair enough. But some "pre-conceived positions" are based upon past evidence, and on-going evidence. My pre-conceived positions of liberal Democrat opposition to the impending war on Iraq, based upon prior evidence, and now confirmed with recent events, turned out to be true.

In this piece, MEMRI is tranlating Islamic clerics' sermons, many of which are posted on the Web. Check MEMRI's footnotes.
15 posted on 09/27/2002 10:45:42 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: AzJP
I have no problem with the literal translation. I have a problem with looking for ways to support a pre-conceived position.

You mean, like presenting evidence?

Can you point us to a couple of web-sites with contrary evidence?

ML/NJ

16 posted on 09/27/2002 10:45:51 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: AzJP
The fund solicitation element may be true, but they're a media institute not a charity, after all. In any case just about any organization does its work with certain pre-existing outlooks otherwise the people involved would likely have never got together. My point, however, is in line with some other replies here; that being that they're reporting actual events not inventing them. There's a big difference IMO between bending something to fit a position (Jackson, often) and merely reporting something verbatum that fits your outlook. These sermons actually occur, and they're not uncommon. If there are moderate imams in SA preaching coexistance with Jews and Christians you think we'd hear about them, MEMRI aside. We don't, and that's the problem.
17 posted on 09/27/2002 10:58:13 AM PDT by mitchbert
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To: ml/nj
And the Jihadist leaders in this country (along with their left-wing appeasers) condemn Franklin Graham.

What do they say about these sermons in the land of Mohammedanism?
18 posted on 09/27/2002 11:04:45 AM PDT by Guillermo
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To: ml/nj
I feel as if I've been writing about these clowns nonstop for a whole year. Maybe I have.

When Thomas Aquinas declaimed that true religion does not require a man to set aside his rationality, he might not have been thinking of Islam. Then again, he might, as an example of a religion that didn't qualify. No religion can claim that persons of differing religious beliefs have different rights because of their beliefs, and still be a true religion that embodies the natural moral law.

Another giveaway to the falsity of Islam is its certainty, the conviction of absolute accuracy by which it sanctifies conversion by the sword and the execution of apostates. The ministers of a wholesome religion will always admit to you that they might be wrong, that what they're telling you is the best they know, not a set of guarantees you can take to the celestial bank. The reason for this is obvious: no mortal is capable of determining whether an entity's claim to be God is true or false.

That's what gave rise, ironically enough, to the Catholic principle weirdly misnamed "papal infallibility." That doctrine, contrary to the popular conception, does not declare that the Pope cannot be wrong on matters of faith or morals; rather, what it states is that any Catholic who follows papal dictates, even if they're absolutely wrong, is spiritually indemnified for it, because he's following the guidance of Christ's Vicar on Earth, and therefore is doing the best he knows.

Islam is not a religion. In all the essentials, it differs from every wholesome religion on Earth. It's a rationale for world conquest and totalitarian oppression, under a theological veneer.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

19 posted on 09/27/2002 11:14:29 AM PDT by fporretto
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To: AzJP
I contest your logic here AzJP. You have indicated that MEMRI is clearly supporting itself through positioning the media it translates in a biased way. Or, "looking for ways to support a pre-conceived position". Additionally, you assert that can you produce a large amount of literature attesting to the Elvisness of ham glaze in order to illustrate your point.

Here's the problem: everyone aside from the blind can make their own judgement regarding ham glaze. However, very few people can do the same about media published in Arabic. MEMRI reports on certain areas of Arab media (who gives a fart about the weather?), but that means nothing in itself (that is like faulting ESPN for not covering Fall Fashions). MEMRI does not distort, enhance, or otherwise filter the material they translate. Therefore, any conclusions raised about the material are the reader's own. If you wish to contend that MEMRI ignores a balanced amount of moderate Arab media, or even tolerant Arab media, please do so. I suspect you will have a hard time due to the lack of material.

20 posted on 09/27/2002 11:15:57 AM PDT by Shryke
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