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Denver Police Department "spy file" describes Libertarian Party as a "militia" type organization.
Libertarian Party ^ | 9/24/02 | LP.org

Posted on 09/24/2002 2:09:34 PM PDT by BlessingInDisguise

Colorado Libertarians amused and irritated at secret ‘spy file’ kept by Denver police

Colorado LP leaders say they are more amused than angry that a newly released Denver Police Department "spy file" describes the Libertarian Party as a "militia" type organization.

"A political party as a militia group? How ridiculous!" said John Berntson, State Chair of the Colorado LP. "Is this the quality of the law enforcement in Denver? Is Barney Fife running the shop?"

According to news reports, the Denver Police Department maintained files on approximately 3,200 Colorado citizens and 208 organizations from across the political spectrum.

The files, which were released to the public in early September, listed the Libertarian Party as a "Militia type organization, pro gun rights."

Former Colorado LP Publications Director Ari Armstrong said the analysis of the party as a militia-style group is flat out wrong.

"The Libertarian Party does not conduct or participate in military-style training," he noted. Instead, it runs candidates for public office, engages in political lobbying efforts, and "participates in peaceable demonstrations in support of individual rights.

"Why the Denver Police Department targeted for investigation the Libertarian Party for peaceably advocating the Bill of Rights remains a mystery," he said.

Overall, the revelation of a Libertarian Party police file was "not a surprise, but it's an outrage," said Armstrong. "Apparently, peaceably advocating the Bill of Rights warrants a police investigation."

The mischaracterization of the Libertarian Party's political nature does raise profound doubts about the intelligence of the Denver Police, said Berntson.

"The files themselves are laughable to the extent that they illustrate just how pathetically ill-informed the Denver P.D. is," he said. "They are also scary for the same reason.

"This is nothing more than government inefficiency and stupidity. This is Denver's tax dollars at their worst, and Denver's citizens should be appalled at their police."

The files became public knowledge this spring, and set off a firestorm of controversy throughout Colorado. Civil libertarians said the files were a worrisome invasion of privacy, similar to the surveillance files kept by former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover.

In response, Denver Mayor Wellington E. Webb instructed the police department to destroy the files -- but only after giving copies to the individuals and organizations that had been monitored.

"It was very clear that something went wrong here," said Andrew Hudson, a spokesman for the mayor. "[Police] intelligence work is necessary, but has to be done right and in a way in which civil liberties aren't trampled."

Began in 1999, the spy files were in the form of a computer database. Records were kept on community activists, "social justice" organizations, and individuals who had attended political meetings and rallies.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against the Denver Police Department over the files.

The release of the files began in early September. About 300 people and representative of about 70 groups crowded into police headquarters to review their files.

Walter Schlomer, the Colorado LP's fundraising director, picked up a copy of the Libertarian Party's file on September 5.

"It's an outrage," said Schlomer. "In spite of no record of violence or illegal activity of any kind, the Denver P.D. felt it neessary to secretly spy on the LP and keep track of our activities."

In addition to describing the Libertarian Party as a "Militia type organization," and noting it was "pro gun rights," the brief file gave the LP a "Law Enforcement" classification. Police did not explain what that meant.

The file also listed the Libertarian Party's "AKA Name" as the "Denver Metro Libertarian Party," which is a local affiliate of the state LP. In a section labeled "Person Associations," five listings were blacked out.

"There are words and lines blacked out by what looks to be a black marker," said Schlomer. "These represent names in the first two lines and I'm not sure what in the next lines."

Responding to criticism about the files, the Denver Police Department acknowledged that some groups were improperly characterized as "criminal extremists." A police spokesman said untrained clerks mistakenly shoehorned every organization into the few options available in the software's limited menu.

The spokesman also said the department will continue to maintain "intelligence files" only on people who are suspected or convicted of criminal activity, and will have an outside consultant review the files for appropriateness.


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To: 11B3
I'd like to see a Libertarian militia combat unit....About all you could do with them would be to put them up against a French unit for a relay race to see who could surrender fastest. Tough call.

Like the French, they prefer to be overrun and then whine incessantly at their occupiers in the hopes that they will leave. Tactical wizards, both of them.

I'd like to see a cogent reply pertinent to the subject at hand.

Perhaps you'd better go sleep it off first, hmmm?

21 posted on 09/24/2002 2:51:57 PM PDT by Pahuanui
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To: Digger
You are a true believer. I on the other hand choose to believe that Pat Buchanan is a loyal Republican who took control of Ross Perot's party in order to run it into the ground and neutralize it politically -- which he did.
22 posted on 09/24/2002 2:55:29 PM PDT by Kaisersrsic
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To: Digger
You are a true believer. I on the other hand choose to believe that Pat Buchanan is a loyal Republican who took control of Ross Perot's party in order to run it into the ground and neutralize it politically -- which he did.
23 posted on 09/24/2002 2:55:31 PM PDT by Kaisersrsic
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To: Kaisersrsic
I don't know any "true republicans" who go on Meet The Press and proclaim that Algore won the election.

Pat did.

24 posted on 09/24/2002 3:21:54 PM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: BlessingInDisguise
The Constitution demands a citizen militia to be formed.
Is this police department a member of the Socialist party or what?
If there is a militia, well done patriots!
25 posted on 09/24/2002 3:23:35 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: BlessingInDisguise
"Apparently, peaceably advocating the Bill of Rights warrants a police investigation."

Welcome to the USSA.

26 posted on 09/24/2002 3:24:49 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: 11B3
Let's meet and find out if libertarians are really whiners, AS YOU SAY.

CATO

27 posted on 09/24/2002 3:26:09 PM PDT by Cato
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To: 11B3
11B2PLGMH Libertarian, here, and no, I did not run. How about you?
29 posted on 09/24/2002 3:34:32 PM PDT by patton
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To: BlessingInDisguise
released Denver Police Department "spy file" describes the Libertarian Party as a "militia" type organization.

Whew, it sure seems like the terms used to describe libertarians are all over the board. We are socialists, anarchists, hedonists, libertines, totalitarians, pacifists, fascists, militia types...............fill-in-the-blank.

OOT thing, it seems all the "anti-liberty" crowd spends an awful lot of time attacking libertarians when we don't seem to be much of a threat, according to them. Does anyone else sense an inordinate amount of concern over us??
Maybe someone doesn't want anyone to talk of liberty, real liberty.

I would settle for adherance to the CONSTITUTION. I won't be picky.
In case anyone didn't catch it, VP Cheney, ruled out any thought of declaring war against Iraq. I guess the United Nations Charter reigns supreme in his mind. Not mine!! The United States Of America FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!

A Christian libertarian,
CATO

30 posted on 09/24/2002 3:49:11 PM PDT by Cato
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To: chance33_98
Wonder if they did the same with the local Islamic churches.

I sure hope not. And I wouldn't vote for any party that supports police state action against any group.

One of the many reasons I support the LP.

31 posted on 09/24/2002 3:55:13 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: BlessingInDisguise
As the laws continue to build up on the shelves like feces impacting a digestive track, the state needs ever and ever stupider agents. It used to be that a peace officer had few laws with which to torture his fellow citizen, and he had great discretion as to how he would solve any matter that came to him. This type of officer would be quickly fired today. It is no longer possible for today’s officer to explain today’s laws, let alone is he allowed to have any judgment without risking his job. Hence bullet proof vest, felony stops and a total Jack Webb by the book mentality. Naturally the more active intelligence are not attracted to this, leaving the more sorts, untroubled by massive contradictions.
32 posted on 09/24/2002 4:25:05 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: Willie Green
Willie, I give you credit for putting what you don't know about libertarians right up front instead of pretending you know what you're talking about.
33 posted on 09/24/2002 4:40:41 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: Cato
We are socialists, anarchists, hedonists, libertines, totalitarians, pacifists, fascists, militia types...............fill-in-the-blank.

Worse than the French.

34 posted on 09/24/2002 4:43:23 PM PDT by Drango
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To: chance33_98
That would be racist to suspect an islamic group of anything. But the libertarian Party, now they are a threat to us all.
35 posted on 09/24/2002 4:50:10 PM PDT by jd777
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To: muir_redwoods
Willie, I give you credit for putting what you don't know about libertarians right up front instead of pretending you know what you're talking about.

Most everything I know about libertarians I learned right here on Free Republic over the course of the last 4+ years.
Read their posts, followed their links.
Tried to give 'em a fair shake, but they still left a bad taste in my mouth.

36 posted on 09/24/2002 4:51:33 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Most everything I know about libertarians I learned right here on Free Republic over the course of the last 4+ years.

Read their posts, followed their links. Tried to give 'em a fair shake, but they still left a bad taste in my mouth.

Judging by the way you shake hands, it's no wonder you don't know thing one about libertarianism.

37 posted on 09/24/2002 4:55:14 PM PDT by Pahuanui
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To: Kaisersrsic
If the Republican party would include some of the ideals of Libertarians( less taxes, less govt. interference, more adherance to the original const.) they would run less of a risk of loss.
39 posted on 09/24/2002 5:02:22 PM PDT by TazforPrez
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To: BlessingInDisguise
PD apparently afraid of privitization
40 posted on 09/24/2002 5:06:04 PM PDT by breakem
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