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The hate that dare not speak its name Black Racism
The American Enterprise ^ | Ying Ma

Posted on 09/18/2002 11:50:34 AM PDT by robowombat

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To: CatoRenasci
"prejudice plus power" wrong.

I remember spike lee attempting to use that definition to state black people can't be racist. Racism does not require power. Otherwise the poor could never be racist. Racism exists in every defined race.
21 posted on 09/18/2002 1:07:56 PM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: TopQuark
but missy ...me and my pa done freed you slaves...as my family fought and died and were disabled blinded amuputees wearing blue in the civil war...and as a result of all the men folk being kilt off...we lost our farms...and lived in poverty without no welfare or govt handouts...
thankfully by hard work and a belief in God we made everything that was lost back...
only to have it stolen by those calling us slave owners and their govt helpers.
22 posted on 09/18/2002 1:15:04 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: robowombat
In this vein, Asian activists consistently mention that racial problems occur when Asian merchants move into predominantly black neighborhoods and flourish.

How dare the Aisans come here and succeed on their own merits?
23 posted on 09/18/2002 1:23:29 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: CatoRenasci
clearly blacks are prejudiced against Asians and they have the physical power to intimidate the smaller, less martial Asians.

Don't any of the Aisans know any of that Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon stuff?
24 posted on 09/18/2002 1:26:50 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: robowombat
When I first moved to Houston I made the mistake of going into a convenience store to get a newspaper and a gallon of milk on a bright Sunday morning. The Asian guy at the counter was friendly as usual, and then a big, fat, loud black woman entered the store and went to the freezers in the back. "AINCHOO GOT NO HAYGANDOSS?!?!?!" she screamed at the counter man. "DIDJOO HEER ME?" she screamed again. That's not exactly what she said. What she actually said was peppered with racial epitaphs and dripping with viciousness and hatred.

After about thirty seconds of this I said to her "Can't you just be nice?" The look she gave me made me fear for my life, as she followed me out the door and into my car screaming about how she would take care of little white boys like me.

I got my concealed carry license a few weeks later. I started going into the store on Sunday mornings for a while looking for her, but she never came back.

But then blacks are incapable of racism.

25 posted on 09/18/2002 1:50:37 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: robowombat
"...Asians are unlike blacks who got to where they are in politics by being militant."

Bullseye!

26 posted on 09/18/2002 1:55:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: ArrogantBustard
TQ: black people's
AB: What's with this idiotic notion that skin colour = identity? I referred to black people as a social group. Where have you deduced from my words that color implies identity?

The whole idea of "race" is a fiction conjured up by con-men to divide people from each other (and their money). I am not sure this is true. Quite a bit of prejudice against black people was experienced by common, Church-going folk and not con-men.

hatred against slave-owners Who happen to be conveniently DEAD. This is irrelevant. For centuries, American children were rased despising royalty. What our Founding Fathers had to deal with in reality, has become a symbol to us. Similarly, I can see that a black child will be taught his heritage, which includes the fact that his forefathers were enslaved --- in Africa and brought to America, where they continued to be enslaved.

The point I was making that one has to support or oppose a person's behavior. Black people in America had legitimate grievances against slave-owners ---- both here and in Africa. This is not what they are rallied against by teh likes of Jesse Jackson: all they hear about is the white-black dychotomy.

27 posted on 09/18/2002 1:55:37 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: joesnuffy
Very cute and pointed on its own. How is it related to what I said, however?
28 posted on 09/18/2002 1:57:15 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: robowombat
Ben Carrington hasn't been mugged yet.
29 posted on 09/18/2002 2:05:11 PM PDT by rightofrush
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To: robowombat
Helpful hint for Ms Ying Ma: S&W Ladysmith.
30 posted on 09/18/2002 2:06:44 PM PDT by rightofrush
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To: rightofrush
He lives in the UK so there is a good chance he may enter the ranks of liberals who have been mugged.
31 posted on 09/18/2002 2:12:00 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
An opportuninty for the compassionate conservative?
32 posted on 09/18/2002 2:12:29 PM PDT by CPT Clay
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To: BenLurkin
Others defended themselves and their property with firearms.

That was one of the coolest things I've ever seen on television. :)

33 posted on 09/18/2002 2:21:43 PM PDT by Sloth
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To: TopQuark
Where have you deduced from my words that color implies identity?
No deduction at all. It's right there in < ahem > black and white. "Black People"??? are you referring to their hair, their eyes, their shirts? You are identifying people by the colour of their skin, as though that tells you something meaningful about them. I'd really like to know what, other than ancestors coming to America as slaves from subsaharan Africa, the PhD manager of the engineering group down the hall from me has in common with a gang hoodlum from DC.

The point I was making that one has to support or oppose a person's behavior.
No kidding. 100% agree.

Black people in America had legitimate grievances against slave-owner
Emphasis on past tense. Lots of other people have and have had legitimate greivances, both here and in the 'old country'. BFD. When the grievance is redressed, do you consign it to history, or continue to pick at your ancestors old scars? Do you act like Clarence Thomas, or like Jesse Jackson?

all they hear about is the white-black dichotomy.
So what, exactly, does the colour of a man's skin tell you. That the gang-hood in Anacostia is a PhD Mechanical Engineer? After all, the section manager down the hall kinda looks like him; certainly has the same skin colour. Kinda looks to me like the whole "black-white dichotomy" (which, as you may know, meand dividing into two pieces) is created and maintained by people who want division; by the Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons, and David Dukes of the world.

34 posted on 09/18/2002 2:31:15 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: Tired of Taxes
Yes, there was a great deal of resentment in L.A. about things such as prices and how the customers were treated. I remember some years earlier going with an acquaintance to a liqour store in South Central to cash a check. I was stunned by what was being charged for diapers and groceries. (There were no other markets nearby.) In 1992 there was also still anger over the fatal shooting of a teeanger by a Korean shop owner ealier in 1992 or late 1991.
36 posted on 09/18/2002 4:21:50 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: robowombat
There are two aspects of the story, that this young woman addresses. There is the often present tendency to bully the outsider in school. That can here be called racism, but the racism involved reflects a broader phenomenon. It is unfortunate that Society has not found a way to make a school bus safe from bullies.

The other, more enduring aspect of her experiences, does in fact flow from the same social dynamic that others were protesting having occurred in Indonesia. The Chinese are a target there for the same reason that they would tend to be a target in a poor neighborhood in America--they are superior achievers. This is an aspect of the same phenomenon seen in the treatment of Hindu merchants in parts of East Africa--and even at one time in the Zulu section of Durban;--seen in the Hutu massacre of the Tutsi in Rwanda; seen in the present privations of Rhodesian farmers; experienced by the Jews in Germany under the Nazis; and by the freehold farmers in the Ukraine and Russia, under Stalin.

While there are exceptions--the treatment of the Huguenots in France--the underlying rationalizations for these attacks on superior achievers may usually be found in Leftist theory--the myth of human equality, and the giant Socialist lie that those who succeed do so at the expense of those who fail. (See Compulsion For Uniformity and The Lies Of Socialism.)

The unfortunate writer has been looking in the wrong places for an explanation of the experiences that she recounts. Those whom she blames for not facing the reality she discusses, are actually a major part of the causation. It is the demagogues on the Left, who pretend to be solving problems--but in reality are spreading the lies of Socialism--who are a major part of the problem. She needs to distance herself from the so-called "activists," and find people interested in the truth. Obviously a Clintonesque propagandist is no more such than Jesse or Al.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

37 posted on 09/18/2002 4:54:53 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: BenLurkin
If people don't like the prices they can shop elsewhere. The "no other stores" argument is nonsense. The reason there are fewer stores is because fewer merchants are willing to put up with the risks. The ones who do must be compensated. Also, don't confuse markup with profit. If a store does less volume, suffers more shoplifting, and pays higher insurance premiums this must all be reflected in the markup. And what price does one put on the risk of violence and the certainty of being resented and disrespected constantly by one's customers? And listening to idiotic claims that because you put the change on the counter instead of in the customers hand that this is racism on par with Selma. I don't envy these shopkeepers. I have no idea why you are complaining about them.
38 posted on 09/18/2002 6:32:42 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: BenLurkin

In 1992 there was also still anger over the fatal shooting of a teenager by a Korean shop owner earlier in 1992 or late 1991.

How horrible. Did this Korean shop owner purposely go out stalking and shooting teenagers indiscriminately and for no other reason than racism?


39 posted on 09/18/2002 7:01:40 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: robowombat
Life was so much simpler in the 60's when all the racists lived in Alabama.
40 posted on 09/18/2002 7:14:36 PM PDT by blam
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