DEPRIVING THE ARABS OF THEIR PREY (GREAT READ)

WINSTON MID EAST ANALYSIS & COMMENTARY | September 13, 2002 | Emanuel A. Winston

[BenF]

fyi

[Credo]

When are we going to send representatives to the State Department for US interests?

[neutrino]

Great article! Bump!

[js1138]

We forget that the Muslims have painted themselves into a corner. They have told themselves that their God will provide victory. If they don't achieve victory then their God is false.

[syriacus]

America, who they call "The Great Satan" that defeated them.

I'm beginning to think they like to repeat that phrase ("America is the Great Satan") because they love getting to sneak the phrase "Great Satan" into their conversations.

Do they think Satan is Great, or something?

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

send representatives to the State Department for US interests

Sometimes it does seem that we need a "US" desk at foggy bottom.

[sinclair]

I believe this to be true. Anyone who feels the need to contradict is welcome to try. However I warn you that you are apt to make yourself look the fool.

[Dallas]

Palestine was a wasteland until the Israelis built settlements/infrastructure, and would be today if left to the devices of the Palestinians (i.e.Philistines / i.e.Canaanites).

[norraad]

Dear Icklums,

Great news! Your God is false, now you can relax, you don't have to be dickheads anymore.

-your local universal communication offical-

[Nonstatist]

Winston Churchill once intoned: "The Hun is either at your throat or at your feet." So too are radical Muslims, dedicated to a world dominated by Islam, (who) will not stop until they are utterly defeated .

Makes sense to me.

[KellyAdmirer]

Israel was time and again forbidden the fruits of victory to secure her sovereignty.

Preservation of the state is victory. I don't know what the author thinks an Israeli "victory" would look like. An occupation of Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Iran etc.? Imposition at gunpoint of a demand for reparations from those governments that would never be paid? Enlargement of Israel's borders so that a larger fraction of Israel's population is Palestinian? I think the difficulty of achieving final "victory" is what has been working against Israel, not US pressure.

[Lent]

The Arab nations continue to whine

The Arab Islamics are good at this.

[11B3]

"Therefore, America had best be prepared to defend against malicious and nefarious Terror attacks of yet unknown magnitude."

Likewise, the Islamic world had better become prepared for the reaction of the American citizens to any such attack: Instant and summary execution of all Muslims within the country. Even the police and military would help.

[Nonstatist]

I don't know what the author thinks an Israeli "victory" would look like.

An "Israeli victory" would like present day Israel sans most of the West Bank settlements, surrounded by Arab States that look like a modernized Jordan; at least moderately responsive to the material desires of its citizens. Not that much to ask except when you put it in context.

[BenF]

Preservation of the state is victory.

So if Israel continues to exist while its' citizens continue to be murdered, Israel should consider itself "victorious" because it is still "preserved" for the time being? Victory is more than preservation of the state, imho.

I don't know what the author thinks an Israeli "victory" would look like. An occupation of Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Iran etc.? Imposition at gunpoint of a demand for reparations from those governments that would never be paid? Enlargement of Israel's borders so that a larger fraction of Israel's population is Palestinian?

I don't see where any of that has been suggested. Why would you make this assumption?

I think the difficulty of achieving final "victory" is what has been working against Israel, not US pressure.

Then you must have an idea of what Israel's "final victory" is that you're not telling us. How about sharing and including what facts you base your idea on?

[KellyAdmirer]

I note that you don't offer any definition of final victory, either.

[BenF]

An "Israeli victory" would like present day Israel sans most of the West Bank settlements, surrounded by Arab States that look like a modernized Jordan; at least moderately responsive to the material desires of its citizens. Not that much to ask except when you put it in context.

Well, that possibility was offered to Yasir Arafat and he turned it down flat.

Realistically, your version of an "Israeli victory" will never take place for the simple reason that the Arab leaders have no incentive to modernize or install democratic reforms. If they did, there would be no need to remove the Jewish "settlements".

IMHO, you are ignoring the root cause of the conflict - Arab hatred towards the Jews. Is it deliberate?

[BenF]

I note that you don't offer any definition of final victory, either.

First, you never asked me for one.

Second, it's really rather bad form to ask for something while failing to respond to the original questions.

[BenF]

Likewise, the Islamic world had better become prepared for the reaction of the American citizens to any such attack: Instant and summary execution of all Muslims within the country. Even the police and military would help.

The Muslims are counting on the enemies of America who live within its borders - the liberals who are undermining our freedoms on a daily basis while criticizing our actions against our enemies.