[KellyAdmirer]

Israel was time and again forbidden the fruits of victory to secure her sovereignty.

Preservation of the state is victory. I don't know what the author thinks an Israeli "victory" would look like. An occupation of Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Iran etc.? Imposition at gunpoint of a demand for reparations from those governments that would never be paid? Enlargement of Israel's borders so that a larger fraction of Israel's population is Palestinian? I think the difficulty of achieving final "victory" is what has been working against Israel, not US pressure.

[Nonstatist]

I don't know what the author thinks an Israeli "victory" would look like.

An "Israeli victory" would like present day Israel sans most of the West Bank settlements, surrounded by Arab States that look like a modernized Jordan; at least moderately responsive to the material desires of its citizens. Not that much to ask except when you put it in context.

[BenF]

Preservation of the state is victory.

So if Israel continues to exist while its' citizens continue to be murdered, Israel should consider itself "victorious" because it is still "preserved" for the time being? Victory is more than preservation of the state, imho.

I don't know what the author thinks an Israeli "victory" would look like. An occupation of Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Iran etc.? Imposition at gunpoint of a demand for reparations from those governments that would never be paid? Enlargement of Israel's borders so that a larger fraction of Israel's population is Palestinian?

I don't see where any of that has been suggested. Why would you make this assumption?

I think the difficulty of achieving final "victory" is what has been working against Israel, not US pressure.

Then you must have an idea of what Israel's "final victory" is that you're not telling us. How about sharing and including what facts you base your idea on?

[Kozak]

I don't know what the author thinks an Israeli "victory" would look like.

Well, how about a negotiatiated peace treaty ending the war, recognizing Israels right to exist, and recognizing its borders for staters. Then they might consider promising to renounce terrorism. All that would have been available to the Israelis but for the intervention of the UN and the West after it's victories, when it would have been submit or die for the Arab governments involved.