A Reasoned and Articulate View of Islam

Q-News ^ | Hamza Yusuf

[meia]

This article first appeared in Q-News, the Muslim magazine,
www.q-news.com.

On September 11th our lives changed forever. We witnessed an act of aggression that in many ways does not have a parallel in past or present times. There are several elements that make this act unique, from the use of civilian planes as weapons of mass destruction to the attack on the most widely recognised skyscrapers in the world. Nor have we ever witnessed the terrible indictment of Islam as having a part to play in such a heinous crime, writes Hamza Yusuf.

Muslims were seen rejoicing in some parts of the world in a display of what can only be called shamaatatul 'aadai', which is rejoicing at the calamities of ones’ enemies. This is something explicitly prohibited in Islam and was never practiced by the Prophet of Mercy, upon him be prayers and peace. We have seen images since of American flags burning to further arouse the wrath of a nation filled with grief, confusion and anger. Again, Islam prohibits the burning of flags according to the explicit verse, “Do not curse [the idols] of those who call on other than Allah, thus causing them to curse Allah out of animosity [toward you] and without knowledge.” This verse prohibits even the cursing of false gods because of the consequences.  We have also seen image after image of Muslims with beards and turbans, who by all outward means look religious and pious - but are they really?

Unfortunately, the West does not know what every Muslim scholar knows; that the worst enemies of Islam are from within. The worst of these are the khawaarij who delude others by the deeply dyed religious exterior that they project. The Prophet, peace be upon him, said about them, “When you see them pray you will consider your own prayers insignificant. They recite the Quran but it does not exceed the limits of their throat.”  In other words, they don’t understand the true meanings. The outward religious appearance and character of the khawaarij deluded thousands in the past, and continues to delude people today. The Muslims should be aware that despite the khawaarij adherence to certain aspects of Islam, they are extremists of the worst type. 

Our Prophet said, peace be upon him, “Beware of extremism in your religion.”  Islam is the middle way between excess and neglect. Zealots are a plague upon religion. These extremists come in two types. The first is a reactionary extremist who falls far right of a centre-point. Reactionary extremists do not want any pluralism; they view the world in melodramatic, black and white, good and evil terms. They are good and anyone who opposes them is evil. From among the Muslims these are people who ‘excommunicate’ any Muslim who fails to share their interpretations of the Quran. They use takfir and character assassination as a tool for marginalising any criticism directed at them. They are used often by the Western media in order to scare simple people and cause them to believe that Muslims are insane. Unfortunately, our communities provide them with much fuel to fire their incendiary flames. 

The second group are radical extremists, who while they are almost identical with the former group, differ in that they will use violence to further their cause. They are actually worse than the first. They believe like every nefarious secret society before them that ‘the end justifies the means.’ They see any act as acceptable if it will further their ‘cause.’ This is blatantly anti-Islamic for a number of reasons.

Firstly, Islam’s means must reflect its noble ends. Any means that does not embody the core truths and ethics of Islam is not from Islam and thus denounced as aberration. Secondly, Islam is not a secret society of conspirators who no one knows what they are planning. Islam declares openly its aims and objectives and these are recognised by good people everywhere as pure and congruent with their own wisdom and traditions. In the case of many of these extremists even the non-Muslims recognise that no religion of any weight could sanction the taking of innocent lives. The Quran says that the Torah and the Gospel have guidance and light and that the Quran came to fulfil these prior dispensations. Good Christians and Jews who believe in God and live ethically upright lives have no frame of reference for such acts, so how could these acts be from Islam, which confirms what has come before it? 

Thirdly, they are invariably people who have never taken a true spiritual path to God and nor have they studied the humanities. I can almost guarantee that you will not find a scholar of poetry among the whole vile lot of these people. They have no true knowledge of Arabian culture, which is centred in the idea of futuwwa; a word akin to the western word chivalry. The terrorists posing as journalists who killed Ahmad Shah Masuud were cowards of the worst type. Killing themselves was not bravery but stupidity, but killing one’s enemy in such a way is the worst form of treachery and the Arabs have many poems denouncing such type of people. 

Our real situation is this: we Muslims have lost theologically sound understanding of our teaching. Islam has been hijacked by a discourse of anger and the rhetoric of rage. We have allowed for too long our mimbars to become bully pulpits in which people with often recognisable psychopathology use anger - a very powerful emotion - to rile Muslims up, only to leave them feeling bitter and spiteful towards people who in the most part are completely unaware of the conditions in the Muslim world, or the oppressive assaults of some Western countries on Muslim peoples. We have lost our bearings because we have lost our theology. We have almost no theologians in the entire Muslim world. The study of kalaam, once the hallmark of our intellectual tradition, has been reduced to memorizing 144 lines of al-Jawhara and a good commentary to study it, at best.

The reality is we are an Umma that no longer realises that Allah is the power behind all power; that it is Allah who subjugates one people to another; that He gives dominion to whom He pleases and He takes it away from whom He pleases. Our understanding of tawhid has fallen into such disarray that we can no longer introspect when afflictions befall us and then wonder in amazement at why the Americans seem incapable of introspection. Indeed, I personally attended a memorial service in San Francisco with over 30,000 people and the Reverend Amos Brown said in no uncertain terms that America must ask herself what she has done either wittingly or unwittingly to incur the wrath and hate of people around the world. Muslims on the other hand, generally prefer to attack the West as the sole reason for their problems when the truth is we are bankrupt as a religious community and our spiritual bankruptcy has led to our inability to even deliver the message of Islam to Westerners in a time when they were giving us platforms to do so. 

It is ironic that the Western media while producing many vile programs on Islam has also produced and aired material of the highest quality with a high level of accuracy only to be vilified by Muslims because it was not good enough. Where is our media?  Where are our spokespeople?  Where are our scholars? Where are our literary figures?  The truth is we don’t have any - and so instead of looking inward and asking painful questions such as why we don’t have such things and such people, we take the simple way out by attacking people whom Allah tells us will do mean things, say bad things and plot against us. And always when we are warned we are told to be patient, to work for the good, to trust in Allah, to return to Allah, to implement our deen.

Conspiracy or not, we are to blame for the terrible backlash against Muslims. The simple reason is that when a crazy Christian does something terrible, everyone in the West knows it is the actions of a mad man because they have some knowledge of the core beliefs and ethics of Christianity. When a mad Muslim does something evil or foolish they assume it is from the religion of Islam, not because they hate us but because they have never been told by a Muslim what the teachings of Islam are all about.

[joesnuffy]

Islam is anti-Christ always has been always will be..

http://studentwebs.coloradocollege.edu/~J_KRUEGER/dotr/jared/koranic/koranic.html

[wattsmag2]

Yeh meia, just as the article says, Mohammed was a peaceful man who would never condone the atrocities being committed today < /sarcasm>

From http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/mohwar3.html

In the Third Part of this series on Mohammed's life, I will be focusing on three events that define the nature of Islam's foundations. At this stage, Mohammed had gained power through his assassinations, looting, massacares and raping. The Jewish Tribes of Medinah had been inhabitants of that city for centuries before the Prophet decided to make it the headquarters of his criminal activities. All the Jews were becoming increasingly dissatisfied and angered at the deeds of the Muslims. The Jewish Tribes were peace-loving, hard working tradespeople, whose purpose in life was to earn a decent living through honest means and hard effort. They were perfectly content with the religion of their forefathers and had never anticipated that the man to whom they had given shelter so graciously, would turn into the power crazed monster who was now turning around to attack them. Mohammed was in the position to carry out his hidden ambitions, which became clear soon enough.

With the utmost disregard for all human morality, ethics, or respect for human life, the Prophet of Islam systematically targeted and slaughtered the very Jews of Medinah who had helped him when everyone else in Arabia was kicking him like a dog. He was motivated by these primary reasons

His fanatic greed for all the wealth that had been created by the blood, sweat and toil of the Jews His maniacal craving for power at any cost. The Jews were the biggest obstacle in his plan to subjugate all of Medinah, so they had to be removed, by any means possible His fear of all other religions. Mohammed was a delusional Megalomaniac, meaning he believed that he was the Supreme Ruler of the world. Anything that threatened this sick fantasy of his, had to be exterminated. Since, the religion of the Jews rejected his pathetic claims to Divine rule, they were the targeted victims in Medinah, just as the Polytheistic Arabs had been his victims in Mecca.

The incidents narrated below demonstrate the horrific depth of Mohammed's atrocities. Keep in mind that Mohammed is the Model of Good Islamic behaviour and you will realise how Islam advocates genocide in the name of religion.

8) Murder of a Jewish Elder from Khaybar
Date: Late April 626 A.D.
Place: The Jewish Oasis of Khyber
Victims: Abu Rafi

The Muslims who had murdered Kaab Ibn Al Ashraf the famous poet of the Banu-N-Nair (See Prophet of Terror & the "Religion of Peace" Part 2) were considered as heroes by Mohammed and his followers. Murderers were considered as ideal Muslims. A group of Muslims from the Khazraj Tribe decided to prove their loyalty to their Prophet by killing off a respectable member of the Jewish Community. Abu Rafi was an elderly man who had never done anything against Mohammed or the Muslims. He just happened to be the unfortunate target of Mohammed's plot to terrorize the Jews. The Prophet wanted to send out a message to the Jews, which spelt out clearly that Mohammed was in control of their lives. The "expedition" to kill the poor old helpless man had the specific blessings of the "Merciful" Prophet.

About Six of them broke into the Old man's house in the middle of the night and slashed him to ribbons as he slept. The cowardly Muslims always assassinated people in this way, while the victim slept, obviously because they had neither the courage nor the strength to fight even a solitary, aged Jewish Man while he was awake. After their crime, the Muslims fled back home into the arms of their expectant Prophet. There was a fight among them as to who had actually killed Abu Rafi. At this, the Prophet smiled beatifically and started checking their swords. Finally, it was decided that the person who owned the sword which still had traces of food in it, was the winner. Apparently Abu Rafi had just finished his dinner before falling asleep and the sword had slashed through his stomach spilling its contents. Indeed how Benevolent was the Apostle of Peace!

9) Massacre, Rape and Plunder of Banu-L-Mustaliq
Date: December 626 A.D.
Place: The well of Muraysi near Red Sea
Victims: The Tribe of Banu-L-Mustaliq

Mohammed attacked the Banu-L-Mustaliq because of their wealth. In a surprise raid, the Muslims drove them to the Sea. They slaughtered many members of the Banu-N-Mustaliq Tribe and looted away a booty of 2000 Camels, 5000 Sheep and 500 Women! 500 women were captured screaming and crying after they had watched their husbands and sons being slaughtered. The most beautiful captive was Juwayriyya, daughter of the chief of the Banu-L-Mustaliq. Mohammed snatched her to satisfy his own animal lust. The captured women were supposed to be returned by the Muslims upon payment of a ransom. But the night after the battle itself, Mohammed and his army raped each and every one of them. One of the men Abu Sa'id Khudri of Mohammed's army reported :

"We were lusting after women and chastity had become too hard for us, but we wanted to get the ransom money for our prisoners. So we wanted to use the "Azl" (Coitus Interruptus- where the man withdraws before ejaculating)...We asked the Prophet about it and he said: "You are not under any obligation to stop yourselves from doing it like that.." Later on the women and children were given for ransom to their envoys. They all went away to their country and not One wanted to stay although they had the choice.."

So the Great Prophet of Peace told his men it was perfectly FINE to rape women as long as you didn't ejaculate inside them (which made them pregnant). What supreme logic! Any human being with the slightest shred of morality has to be nauseated by this Man and the religion he preached. Mohammed, the supreme religious figurehead of Islam sanctions RAPE, pure and simple. Not only did the Muslims commit this horrifying crime, they decieved the Tribesmen into paying Ransom for their womenfolk, who only paid the money in a desperate attempt to save their women's honor. To call such a Prophet and his followers the epitome of Evil is probably an understatement.

10) Massacre of the Banu -Qurayza
Date: April-May 627 A.D.
Place: Medinah
Victims: The Last Jewish Tribe left in Medinah The Banu-Qurayza.

By this time, Mohammed had murdered or driven out all of the Jewish Tribes of Medinah, except the Banu Qurayza. It was time to eliminate this last thorn in his flesh. The Banu Qurayza had been reluctant in helping Mohammed against the Quraysh. Conveniently once again, Mohammed claimed that he had divine knowledge about a conspiracy by the Banu-Qurayza to kill him. He beseiged their fortress for Twenty-Five days. When the starving Tribe surrendered, Mohammed forced an old man from their own Tribe to pronounce Mohammed's sentence. The sentence was death to every male member of the Tribe, Slavery for every woman and child and Plunder of all their property.

The Prophet had an immense trench dug around the main market of Medinah. The men of the Banu Qurayza were rounded up & their hands twisted tightly behind them. Then one by one, they were shoved to the edge of the trench and forced to kneel. They were offered a last chance to convert to "The True Faith" and if they refused, had their heads chopped off. As soon as one head would roll off, the corpse would be kicked into the ditch, and so it went. By the time Dawn had colored the sky red in Medinah, hundreds of corpses piled up in a heap in a tangled cesspool of blood, hair and shreds of flesh. Despite the horrific end in front of their eyes, none of the Jews chose to convert to Islam and faced death valiantly. The blood of 900 innocent Jews stained Mohammed's hands on that black day.

Their only crime was that they chose to retain their fundamental human right, of choosing their own God and the religion of their ancestors. Hysterical women & children screamed as they watched their fathers, husbands & sons die. The majority of them were raped savagely and then bundled off to be sold as "used goods". The Prophet had the husband of the Jewess Raihana Bint Amr hacked to pieces before her very eyes, hours after he had murdered her father. No doubt this was the Prophet's perverted version of a wedding present, because after these atrocities he raped the mortified girl and tried to force her to convert to Islam.

Muslim historians still describe the savage rape of Raihana Bint Amr as her "willing submission to Islam and wifehood to the Prophet"

Apparently according to them it is very natural to imagine that a woman who has just seen her husband, father, brothers and Tribe slaughtered violently before her very eyes, would CHOOSE to convert to the religion of the murderer and marry him! In actual fact Raihana REFUSED to convert to Islam and also refused to marry Mohammed the murderer of her family. He kept her as a lowly concubine all his life. So much for the "Apostle of Peace" and his unbounded RESPECT for women. Mohammed was nothing but a serial rapist, who acquired his victims by killing their families first.

Allah as usual has provided yet another timeless Divine revelation which gives his Prophet the Right to rape and torture women of other religions.

Koran 4:24
"And all married women are forbidden unto you EXCEPT those captives whom your right hand possesses. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that you seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery..."

In short Allah the All Merciful is saying "Hey Muslims, it's a crime to go after married women, but IF they happen to be your captives (which obviously all the non-Muslim women were) feel free to indulge yourself in rape and sexual torture of them. "lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned" Allah is making it LEGAL for Muslims to go ahead and rape Non-Muslim women by Divine Law!

One shudders to imagine what kind of minds invented such utterly sadistic and disgusting ideas.

Mohammed justified all his crimes against the Jews with more of Allah's revelations. Although the following Surahs were not revealed at the same time as the Massacre of Banu Quraizyah, they nevertheless give a general idea of the Prophet's views on Jews and why it is perfectly fine to kill, loot and rape them.

Koran 5:51
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is one of them. Lo allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

Koran 5:64
The Jews say: "Allah's hand is fettered." It is THEIR hands that are fettered and they are ACCURSED for saying so. Nay, but both his (Allah's) hands are spread in bounty. He bestoweth as he will. That which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and belief of many of them, And We have cast among them (The Jews) Enmity and Hatred till the day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, Allah extinguishes it!

The above verses clearly demonstrate the Muslim's hatred of Jews as prescribed by their Prophet. They also expose the hollow claims of Muslims, about Islam being a peaceful religion that always co-existed with Judaism and Christanity. The innumerable, unwarranted massacres of Jews by Mohammed, tell this story in the clearest terms. These historical events form the basis of the Islamic code of behaviour. Therefore the recent genocide of Hindus, Christians and Jews by Muslims all over the world should come as no surprise whatsoever.

The Works "The Glorious Quran" by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, "The Meaning of the Glorious Quran" by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, "Mohammed" by Maxime Rodinson, and "Muhammad" by Martin Lings have been used to compose this article.

[usconservative]

Too little --- too late!

[KeyBored]

"It is important that we know that not all Muslims are crazed fanatics such as OBL just as not all Christians are hate-filled bigots such as The Right Reverend Fred Phelps of "God Hates Fags" fame."

"Don't change the meaning of my statement. I was making the point that one person does not define a complete religion."

There - I reposed your statement in its entirety.

Without citing percentages (because I don't know them), I will say a LARGE segment of Moslems are of the "death to Infidels" variety; while a SMALL (statisticly insignificant)number of Christians subscribe to Phelps view.

I'm as "live and let live" as anyone, but when someone wants to do me harm it would seem to be proper to respond. I happen to reside in western NY state - 50 miles from where a terrorist cell was busted just yesterday. How many more such cells are there? We don't know - but we'd better hope the FBI or some other entity does.

Does Phelps support similar such cells bent on the DESTRUCTION of people with which he disagrees? I don't think so.

[cake_crumb]

"Unfortunately, the West does not know what every Muslim scholar knows; that the worst enemies of Islam are from within."

I disagree with Dr Yusef (if the author is the Hazma Yusef I believe it is): there are MANY people in the West who are well aware of that fact. We're the ones trying to draw out the moderates to take a stand against our mutual enemy.

Unfortunately, Eastern pride dictates that the majority of Muslims, no matter their personal ideology, should DISAGREE stringently should any infidel socioanthropologist DARE to say such a thing. Causes a really irritating impasse.

[BibChr]

one person does not define a complete religion

Very good point, unassailable in itself.

I'd feel better about it if I'd been reading a sea of essays like this emanating from Islamic scholars starting a year ago. I'd feel better if he cited all the passages to which he alludes. I'd feel better if every spokesman for Islam or Arabs who I see in the media were not primarily concerned with whining and complaining about how unfairly "his people" are being treated — rather than twisting himself in a pretzel to assure all that he unconditionally and in the harshest terms condemns the murderers and all who then enabled and now praise them.

The contrast between the behavior of public Moslems as a whole over the last year, and how public Christianoids as a whole certainly would have behaved had such an act been committed by professed Christians — no matter how crazed and heretical — has been made often enough that I won't repeat it.

But it is as valid a point as yours.

So I guess I have to say that your truly sage dictum, one person does not define a complete religion, cuts two ways. Your lone essayist doesn't define Islam, either — particularly given the very loud, very public, and fairly univocal behavior of Moslems over the last year.

Dan

[cake_crumb]

GREAT link.

[Mark17]

I think you are well aware of who was the REAL founder of Islam. I believe he was once the Annointed Cherub that covereth.

[cake_crumb]

"As to why this view is not more widely disseminated, I don't know. Could it be that viewpoints such as this are just too tame to garner attention?"

You're oversimplifying the reasons that this article hasn't been widely disseminated, even within Muslim countries: the governments of said countries NEED the radicals to A:) keep the regular Muslim Joes and Janes who want to decent, quiet life on a tight leash, lest they get TIRED of all the crap and pull a backlash, and B:) because those same governments 1:) contain a proportion of said radicals, usually with ties in the military, which causes the 2:) very real possibility that IF said government doesn't at least look the other way and let the radicals operate their little organized crime ring, said RADICALS WILL PULL AN IRAN on them. Capische?

[meia]

I'd feel better about it if I'd been reading a sea of essays like this emanating from Islamic scholars starting a year ago. I'd feel better if he cited all the passages to which he alludes. I'd feel better if every spokesman for Islam or Arabs who I see in the media were not primarily concerned with whining and complaining about how unfairly "his people" are being treated — rather than twisting himself in a pretzel to assure all that he unconditionally and in the harshest terms condemns the murderers and all who then enabled and now praise them.

I think if you searched for it, as I have done, you will find a lot of articles such ss this one. If you rely on the major media to feed these type of articles to you then you will never see them. An article such as this would not be picked up by the major media because it is not sensational enough.

[ValerieUSA]

ISLAM in America:

http://www.oregonlive.com/special/terror/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/front_page/103191814880351.xml

[browardchad]

The Quran says that the Torah and the Gospel have guidance and light and that the Quran came to fulfil these prior dispensations. Good Christians and Jews who believe in God and live ethically upright lives have no frame of reference for such acts, so how could these acts be from Islam, which confirms what has come before it?

The Quran also says that Jews and Christians have corrupted “the Book.” If “the Book” is corrupted, how can the Quran “confirm” it? After all, according to Islam, Abraham was a Muslim, and Jesus was not the son of God, not did he die on the cross, in direct contradiction of “the Book.” the oppressive assaults of some Western countries on Muslim peoples

Why no mention of the oppressive assaults by Muslim countries on Muslim peoples?

They are used often by the Western media in order to scare simple people and cause them to believe that Muslims are insane. Unfortunately, our communities provide them with much fuel to fire their incendiary flames.

Ah, yes: the passive victimization mode. The Islamist extremists don’t use the media, they “are used” by the media. If the west would simply ignore all this hate, it will simply disappear (and so might the West, but, of course, that is the ultimate goal).

“Articulate?” – yes. “Reasoned?” – still a long way to go. I guess we should be grateful that some other little zingers haven’t been carefully woven into this piece – such as poverty causing terrorism. This religion has yet to take the first baby steps in embracing honesty, openness and self-criticism of its basic beliefs and antipathies toward non-believers. Islam itself has produced the phenomena the author describes, as the logical consequence of its basic teachings, untouched (through violence and intimidation of those who attempt exegesis) for centuries.

[meia]

the governments of said countries NEED the radicals to......

I think this is a key to understanding Islam and Muslims. Most of the face of Islam we see is from the Islamic countries. These countries are Theocracys. Any Theocracy, whether it be Islamic or Christian is going adhere to the more radical form of that religion, since the only way to have a Theocracy is with an authoritarian form of government. Just as with Communism, people will not freely choose to live under a theocratic form of government. They have to be forced to do so, which means the more severe aspects of the faith are the ones you see.

To look at Islam in a more reasoned way, we should look at how it is practiced in the western democracys where there is freedom of religion. In those types of countries, you do have a few nut-cases (like Fred Phelps) but overall, the Muslims and Christians are good, peaceful practioners of their religion.

[ValerieUSA]

No, they are not. The Muslims and Christians are not equivalent anywhere in the world. The only reason a Muslim would ever connect himself to Christians is for money, citizenship, or propaganda. Not for peace, love and brotherhood.

[AzJP]

A good case-in-point is a youth soccer league in Phoenix Arizona. Sponsored by a Mosque, a Temple, and participation from a Catholic school. Pretty good teams, and the kids and parents get along just fine.

[KeyBored]

"To look at Islam in a more reasoned way, we should look at how it is practiced in the western democracys where there is freedom of religion"

Sounds like a good idea to me.

[wattsmag2]

Could be.

Ezek.28:12-19
(12) Son of man, take up a lamintation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
(13) Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius (ruby), topaz, and the diamond, the beryl (chrysolite), the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald nd the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
(14) Thou [art] the annointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
(15) Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
(16) By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
(17) Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
(18) Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries (palaces) by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
(19) All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.

[MarMema]

WELL, last night we went to the local fair and came across a muslim booth. My husband and I asked the guys in the booth all the questions we always wanted to ask and everything they said backed up the stuff we read here on FR.

Namely, no muslims were involved in the WTC tragedy, it was the jews who did it. Nothing you see on TV is true. Muhammed never had a child bride or raped or killed anyone. And finally, that if push came to shove, they would support their fellow muslims instead of America.

Puyallup fair. Try it out. The muslim booth is right by the barn with the livestock. Seattle really does have a fifth column, they really do hate us and plan to take over the world if possible. And oh yeah, they told us that if we go after Iraq we will be very sorry. It was all I could do to not spit at them as we left.

[A CA Guy]

We neeed to wipe a few radical terrorists related to the moon-god off the face of the earth and see how much celebrating the rest of the sect does then.

[ValerieUSA]

Infiltration.