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To: cake_crumb
the governments of said countries NEED the radicals to......

I think this is a key to understanding Islam and Muslims. Most of the face of Islam we see is from the Islamic countries. These countries are Theocracys. Any Theocracy, whether it be Islamic or Christian is going adhere to the more radical form of that religion, since the only way to have a Theocracy is with an authoritarian form of government. Just as with Communism, people will not freely choose to live under a theocratic form of government. They have to be forced to do so, which means the more severe aspects of the faith are the ones you see.

To look at Islam in a more reasoned way, we should look at how it is practiced in the western democracys where there is freedom of religion. In those types of countries, you do have a few nut-cases (like Fred Phelps) but overall, the Muslims and Christians are good, peaceful practioners of their religion.

33 posted on 09/14/2002 9:51:11 AM PDT by meia
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To: meia
No, they are not. The Muslims and Christians are not equivalent anywhere in the world. The only reason a Muslim would ever connect himself to Christians is for money, citizenship, or propaganda. Not for peace, love and brotherhood.
34 posted on 09/14/2002 9:54:34 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: meia
A good case-in-point is a youth soccer league in Phoenix Arizona. Sponsored by a Mosque, a Temple, and participation from a Catholic school. Pretty good teams, and the kids and parents get along just fine.
35 posted on 09/14/2002 9:58:18 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: meia
"To look at Islam in a more reasoned way, we should look at how it is practiced in the western democracys where there is freedom of religion"

Sounds like a good idea to me.

36 posted on 09/14/2002 9:59:18 AM PDT by KeyBored
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To: meia
If your goal is to promote understanding and prevent genocide, your combative style is having the opposite effect.

My goal is to prevent genocide and protect the innocent. While perfectly happy to see the bad guys brought to justice, I deeply resent posters like you ruining an awful lot of hard work toward the prevention of genocide and protection of innocents...including, equally, Muslim innocents.

At this time, the "nuke 'em all" crowd does NOT reflect the views of the Commander-in-Chief of the Military which easily ousted the Taliban and will, if necessary, do the same to Saddam's regime. However, if moderate Muslims don't cut with the "we are a religion of peace" propaganda and clean out the cancer in Islam's midst, genocide is exactly what will happen.

Christians police their own. Radical Islam's favorite new example of moral relativism is Timothy McVeigh. McVeigh also happens to be a perfect example of how we Christians police ouw own. Islam must, if it wants to survive, follow the same example.

51 posted on 09/14/2002 10:20:18 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: meia
Most of the face of Islam we see is from the Islamic countries

Except, of course, for those representing it at the Puyallup Fair in Washington state last night. And they spoke perfect English btw, and were not obviously immigrants. Just fellow al quaida/abu sayyef/chechen scum-brothers.

Prior to last night I may have at least partially agreed with you. But now I have firsthand evidence. My husband says they were lying like dogs the entire time. How many muslims have you been out to speak to personally?

63 posted on 09/14/2002 10:34:51 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: meia
I think this [the governments of said countries NEED the radicals] is a key to understanding Islam and Muslims.

Yes, but governments don't arise in a vacuum. It is unfortunate but I expect it will take centuries before the culture mellows as it did in the West. In the meantime we will have to protect ourselves in a continuing war of civilization vs. barbarity.

111 posted on 09/14/2002 11:42:02 AM PDT by edsheppa
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