The virtues of promiscuity

The SF Chronicle ^ | August 20 2002 | Sally Lehrman

[2Trievers]

"Slutty" behavior is good for the species. That's the conclusion of a new wave of research on the evolutionary drives behind sexuality and parenting.

Women everywhere have been selflessly engaging in trysts outside of matrimony for a good long time and for excellent reasons. Anthropologists say female promiscuity binds communities closer together and improves the gene pool.

[Campion]

Though admittedly it is like taking out a dairy cow with a surface to air missile. ;)

Flying dairy cows? Man, I bet those things really mooove! ;-)

[MadIvan]

Pardon me, late in the day here. An Anti-Tank missile would have been better. ;)

Regards, Ivan

[2Trievers]

That is one of the funniest diatribes I have seen around here in a months of Tuesdays BtD ... wish I could help you ... here ... this is the BEST I can do! &;-)

[bvw]

There are is a non-racial component to it, but this marketing of animalistic morality weighs heaviest against inner-city blacks. It is reminiscent of the old Smallpox blankets that British officers distributed to the native peoples in North America, even though an epidemic would also take some Europeans in contact with the natives down as well. Europeans had a higher resistance -- to smallpox and to alchohol. the native peoples had weaknesses to both and were decimated by smallpox and alchohol.

Is the reason racial, or social forces telescoping? I think it is a combination, more than just think -- it is a combination. There are genetic predispositions, regarding sexual morality that can be countered, but for many blacks it is more difficult to do. It more is difficult for Mohawks to drink moderately.

There are some african black cultures with very high sexual morality -- strong traditions. In Uganda they are, after desperation and tradegy, attempting to bring strict sexual mores back.

If one fails to recognize an honest general weakness for the sake of political correctness one will fail in the cure.

There are no greater enemies of blacks in America then the many amoral numbers in the music biz pushing out the gansta trash and groups such as planned parenthood and other proponents of libertine sexulaity and free-sex. I can only hope that those enemies have pushed their trash too hard and so that a strong moral counter-force is developing.

[banjo joe]

There are three methods of acquiring knowledge: observation, reading, and peeing on the electric fence to obeserve results you might rather have read.

[rdb3]

Although what "bert" said was rude and insensitive, there are fundamental facts behind what he said.

I could care less about any "insensitivity." What I'm addressing is the intentional and gross slander of the whole of blacks in the name of the few, and failing to even consider who his potshots were aimed at.

I ain't having it. I'm the same way with blacks who slander the whole of whites.

If one here wants to argue facts and be accurate with whom those facts pertain to, I'm all for it. But if one here wants to take it to the streets, let's get it on.

Ain't no sunshine when it's on.

[ArrogantBustard]

many amoral numbers in the music biz

And anybody who thinks you're lying about the content of some of their product should look HERE. None of this content is fit in any way shape or form for FR. You've been warned. This filth, BTW, dates from 1989.

AB

[rdb3]

There are genetic predispositions, regarding sexual morality that can be countered, but for many blacks it is more difficult to do.

Oh, so it's a genetic thing.

[mhking]

If one fails to recognize an honest general weakness for the sake of political correctness one will fail in the cure.

Oh, come on - so what you're saying is that opposition of any criticism of black America is rooted in political correctness? I think not.

There is no empirical evidence that suggests that urban blacks are any more - or less - susceptable to the moral problems that pervade the cities than urban whites. To suggest otherwise is to buy into the stereotypical notion that only blacks are involved in what's "wrong" within urban America.

I'm not saying that there isn't a problem within urban black culture; in many instances there is. But at the same time, to use the broad brush that indicates that "all of those people" - referring to all city-dwelling blacks - are tainted by the well is irresponsible and short-sighted.

Take a look at the true demographics of single-parent households. While the percentages for blacks are much higher today than they were during the Moynahan study a generation ago, they are also just as significantly higher among urban whites; perhaps even moreso than urban blacks.

There are no greater enemies of blacks in America then the many amoral numbers in the music biz pushing out the gansta trash and groups such as planned parenthood and other proponents of libertine sexulaity and free-sex. I can only hope that those enemies have pushed their trash too hard and so that a strong moral counter-force is developing.

You'll get no argument from me regarding the negative influence of "gangsta rap" subculture that exists in urban America. But at the same time, you must look at the larger picture of urban America; especially the large portions of urban America that do not fall within the stereotypical "gangsta rap" culture that you rail against.

The whitewashing of this problem is one that will result in the problems continuing as people argue over several things: *What the true measure of the problem is; *What the cause of that problem is; *And how to solve that problem.

I insist that ad hominum comments like those put forth before here do nothing to serve any of those three points. Let's get past them and move forward. The vast majority of us (urban American blacks and whites) want to do so.

[bvw]

"Oh, come on - so what you're saying is that opposition of any criticism of black America is rooted in political correctness? I think not." -- I don't understand this comment, can you elaborate?

"There is no empirical evidence that suggests that urban blacks are any more - or less - susceptable to the moral problems that pervade the cities than urban whites." -- Oh jeesh man, sure there is now. Speak to what is obvious to anyone who visits an urban white trash area versus a urban black trash area, both have their numbers of illegitmate children, but among the blacks it is higher. What accounts for that significant difference? I think it is a combination of social and racial factors. It's a problem for both, but hits blacks harder, just as some other diseases hit blacks harder than whites. To deny it is to miss what correction will be effective.

I used the word trash to descirbe the neighborhood conditions and not the persons in it, for every person is valuable beyond measure.

[bvw]

Do you deny that genes exist, or assert that genes only operate in politically correct manners?

[mhking]

Speak to what is obvious to anyone who visits an urban white trash area versus a urban black trash area, both have their numbers of illegitmate children, but among the blacks it is higher.

Again - please cite empirical evidence. You are speaking anecdotally.

[rdb3]

Do you deny that genes exist, or assert that genes only operate in politically correct manners?

Did these words come from me at any time? Did I imply or infer these things?

Stop being stupid.

I asked you if it was a genetic thing. Do you care to answer?

[AnalogReigns]

I mentioned facts... an 80% illegitimacy rate in inner cities. You mentioned none.

This is not slander of a small number--its the overwhelmeing majority, unfortunately. 60% in an election is called a landslide-- 80% is rightly called a norm...not bigotry or a "broad brush."

Whites may be nearly as promiscuous...who knows? More whites choose to kill their unborn through abortion...so as a race we have no place to brag...

[ChuckHam]

Ivan, did you really expect a reply from Monica, I mean MurryMom? She hasn't been the same since Bill ruined her best blue dress. She thinks a hit and run like Bill did to her is the proper way to post around here.

[rdb3]

I didn't argue with the facts that you stated because they are facts about inner-city blacks. But notice who these facts are about. Not ALL black people! But you wouldn't get that from the post I responded to.

That was my point.

Get it now?

[Old Professer]

Less than 50 years ago, Canela women, who live in Amazonian Brazil, enjoyed the delights of as many as 40 men one after another in festive rituals. When it was time to have a child, they'd select their favorite dozen or so lovers to help their husband with the all-important task. Even today, when the dalliances of married Bar ladies in Columbia and Venezuela result in a child, they proudly announce the long list of probable fathers. The much-touted evolutionary bargain of female fidelity for food -- trotted out by evolutionary psychologists with maddening regularity -- just doesn't hold up.

Isn't that what isn't working in Florida?

Assuming that once, many years ago, all societies were as primitive as these meager examples, isn't it safe to assume that evolution indeed works toward monogamy?

[bvw]

You know the difference in stats between black and non-black single motherhood and illegitmacy rates, you've already alluded to it.

[AnalogReigns]

I agree, its easy to be racist....as burt seems to have been. Making sweeping statements is wrong, on its face. Still, with statitistics as awful as 80% is easy to understand such sweeping generalizations...

What frustrates me is nationally recognized black leaders ignore or poo poo the problem--perhaps because (like Jesse Jackson and his mistress) they participate in it.

[rdb3]

Still, with statitistics as awful as 80% is easy to understand such sweeping generalizations...

That may be but it's still wrong. And I will continue to call out those who engage in such practices, be they black, white, brown, yellow, or red. There is no justifiable reasoning for it. It's simply inexcusable.

What frustrates me is nationally recognized black leaders ignore or poo poo the problem--perhaps because (like Jesse Jackson and his mistress) they participate in it.

Kudos to you for using the operative word: recognized. But who recognizes them as "leaders?" The white Left. That's where their alleged "legitimacy" comes from. We on the Right should not refer to these clowns as leaders. They're not.