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A clear and present danger: Ashcroft scheme simply chilling
HoustonChronicle.com ^ | Aug. 16, 2002, 7:49PM | Turley is a professor of constitutional law at George Washington University, in Washington, D.C.

Posted on 08/18/2002 12:31:24 PM PDT by BellStar

ATTORNEY General John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy
combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.

Ashcroft's plan, disclosed earlier this month but
little publicized, would allow him to order the
indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily
strip them of their constitutional rights and access
to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants.

The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate
congressional hearings and reconsideration of
Ashcroft's fitness for this important office. Whereas
al-Qaida is a threat to the lives of our citizens,
Ashcroft has become a clear and present threat to our liberties.

The camp plan was forged at an optimistic time for
Ashcroft's small inner circle, which has been carefully
watching two test cases to see whether this vision
could become a reality. The cases of Jose Padilla and
Yaser Esam Hamdi will determine whether U.S. citizens
can be held without charges and subject to the
arbitrary and unchecked authority of the government.

Hamdi has been held without charge even though the
facts of his case are virtually identical to those in
the case of John Walker Lindh. Both Hamdi and Lindh
were captured in Afghanistan as foot soldiers in
Taliban units. Yet Lindh was given a lawyer and a
trial, while Hamdi rots in a floating Navy brig in
Norfolk, Va.

Last week, the government refused to comply with a
federal judge who ordered that he be given the
underlying evidence justifying Hamdi's treatment. The
Justice Department has insisted that the judge must
simply accept its declaration and cannot interfere with
the president's absolute authority in "a time of war."

In Padilla's case, Ashcroft initially claimed that the
arrest stopped a plan to detonate a radioactive bomb in
New York or Washington, D.C. The administration later
issued an embarrassing correction that there was no
evidence Padilla was on such a mission. What is clear
is that Padilla is an American citizen and was
arrested in the United States -- two facts that should
trigger the full application of constitutional rights.

Ashcroft hopes to use his self-made "enemy combatant"
stamp for any citizen whom he deems to be part of a
wider terrorist conspiracy.

Perhaps because of his discredited claims of preventing
radiological terrorism, aides have indicated that
a "high-level committee" will recommend which citizens
are to be stripped of their constitutional rights and
sent to Ashcroft's new camps.

Few would have imagined any attorney general seeking to
re-establish such camps for citizens. Of course,
Ashcroft is not considering camps on the order of the
internment camps used to incarcerate Japanese American
citizens in World War II. But he can be credited only
with thinking smaller; we have learned from painful
experience that unchecked authority, once tasted,
easily becomes insatiable.

We are only now getting a full vision of Ashcroft's
America. Some of his predecessors dreamed of creating a
great society or a nation unfettered by racism.
Ashcroft seems to dream of a country secured from
itself, neatly contained and controlled by his
judgment of loyalty.

For more than 200 years, security and liberty have been
viewed as coexistent values. Ashcroft and his aides
appear to view this relationship as lineal, where
security must precede liberty.

Since the nation will never be entirely safe from
terrorism, liberty has become a mere rhetorical
justification for increased security.

Ashcroft is a catalyst for constitutional devolution,
encouraging citizens to accept autocratic rule as their
only way of avoiding massive terrorist attacks.

His greatest problem has been preserving a level of
panic and fear that would induce a free people to
surrender the rights so dearly won by their ancestors.

In A Man for All Seasons, Sir Thomas More was
confronted by a young lawyer, Will Roper, who sought
his daughter's hand. Roper proclaimed that he would cut
down every law in England to get after the devil.

More's response seems almost tailored for
Ashcroft: "And when the last law was down and the devil
turned round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the
laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with
laws from coast to coast and if you cut them down --
and you are just the man to do it -- do you really
think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?"

Every generation has had Ropers and Ashcrofts who view
our laws and traditions as mere obstructions rather
than protections in times of peril. But before we allow
Ashcroft to denude our own constitutional landscape, we

must take a stand and have the courage to say, "Enough."

Every generation has its test of principle in which
people of good faith can no longer remain silent in the
face of authoritarian ambition. If we cannot join
together to fight the abomination of American camps, we
have already lost what we are defending.

Turley is a professor of constitutional law at
George Washington University, in Washington, D.C.


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To: BellStar
Tin foil hats anyone?

Have you read the Constitution? One wears a tinfoil hat for believing 1) Ashcroft will not hold his office for life, and 2) any policies he instigates will not be rescinded when he leaves that office?


41 posted on 08/18/2002 2:17:49 PM PDT by William Terrell
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To: BellStar
I can understand, and agree with, detaining a citizen and stripping him of his rights IF he is found armed on a battle field fighting for the enemy. It is another matter to just jerk Americans off the street, strip them of their citizenship protections and holding them forever.

If there is a charge against them, with evidence to back it up, press charges and let the legal system deal with it. Maybe even pass a law that they can't get bail period until they have their day in court. But a day in court they are entitled to.

If they are so terribly worried about the kind of people they have allowed into the country, and granted citizenship to, then stop importing more of the same. No one in America will hold still for government endangering all our rights in the name of holding those that are dangerous against all our constitutional laws. They made this mess, now let them work within our system to clean it up.

42 posted on 08/18/2002 2:19:08 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: ECM
They are all the same, if you argue anything sencable they attack personally. Which board?
43 posted on 08/18/2002 2:19:33 PM PDT by Theyknow
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To: BellStar
Darn! I was hoping the camps were for lawyers.
44 posted on 08/18/2002 2:21:22 PM PDT by hgro
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To: bruoz
Amen!
45 posted on 08/18/2002 2:21:25 PM PDT by Theyknow
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To: dogbyte12
No comparison to Weaver case. I've met Randy Weaver. Not aware he was plotting to overthrow USA. Regardless, other than a "no-show" all else ruled entrapment.

Padilla, on the other hand, is a convicted murderer. A drug-dealer and a gang member. Screw him.

46 posted on 08/18/2002 2:22:50 PM PDT by donozark
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To: donozark
you are missing the point. The government under a Hillary Clinton administration can claim Weaver was trying to overthrow the government and hold him without due process.

The Ashcroft justice department is claiming that they get to decide who is an enemy combatant and the courts have no juristiction. Put this tool in the hands of Janet Reno and what do you have? The tin foil crowd would be right. Militia members would be put in camps.

47 posted on 08/18/2002 2:27:08 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
Here is the smell test for a law when your party is in power. Would you like the other side to use it?

So simple, so clear, so obvious. Why don't some people get it?

48 posted on 08/18/2002 2:27:38 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: El Sordo
"Will you say the same when President H Rodham starts interning gun owners, tax protesters and members of the pro-life movement?"

Do you actually think "President H. Rodham" would care what "powers this new Imperial administration decides to grant itself"? President Rodham will sieze whatever powers she decides she needs regardless of what we do now. You see, you assume that "President H. Rodham" will be bound by precedent. If "President H. Rodham" were to be bound by the law, you wouldn't have much to fear, would you? So quit trying to scare the kids and old folks with this fairy tale.
49 posted on 08/18/2002 2:32:04 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: darkrepublican
Sort of like a "Short term Tax"!
51 posted on 08/18/2002 2:36:14 PM PDT by BellStar
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To: JediGirl
Do some investigating about civil liberties being suspended during the Civil War and World War II. You'll find the current AG is bending over backwards to not take the steps Abraham Lincoln and FDR took, even though those two men DID do some questionable things, and the questionable practices were stopped once the hostilities cessated. Much ado about little, imo.
52 posted on 08/18/2002 2:43:19 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: RJCogburn; SLOTownConservative; William Terrell; donozark; Whilom; MissAmericanPie
It seems to me that people who are supporting Ashcroft on this are forgetting that the whole point of having trials is to determine whether or not a person who is accused of a crime (any crime) is really guilty as charged. Allowing government to lock people in camps without their ever having been convicted of any wrongdoing means that a great many people who are innocent of the crimes of which they have been accused will nevertheless suffer, since without a trial there will be no way for them to contest the accusations which have been made against them.
53 posted on 08/18/2002 2:43:53 PM PDT by Korth
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To: darkrepublican
wow, dark republican been here since August 14, eh?

me smells alot of nastiness here, said JarJar Binks.

Get the DU out.

54 posted on 08/18/2002 2:46:01 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
You my friend get the prize! Yours is the most informed view I have read on this thread including my own!!!!!!!!!!
55 posted on 08/18/2002 2:47:39 PM PDT by BellStar
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To: BellStar
I have grave reservations about Ashcroft's prosecution of his portion of the war on terrorism. He has thrown US citizens in jail indefintely with no formal charges brought, no trial held, no indication of what the evidence is. All we know is Ashcroft swears to us he's a bad guy who was about to do something bad. Well for my nickel that's not good enough. I do not want a homegrown gestapo forming in America, and when we dispense with all due process the way is clear for one to emerge. Like it or not, Ashcroft has to adhere to the rule of law as articulated in the constitution, and that stands firmly against the concept of what he's done to Padilla (IMHO) and certainly against the establishment of camps for others.

That said, one question. The article is premised on the idea that Ashcroft has a plan in the works to create concentration camps "as revealed last month". Excuse me, I dont recall any such revelation. Perhaps I'm missing something. Either I missed a big story (could happen, I readily admit) or this article is constructed around a faulty premise and represents a transparent attempt to smear Ashcroft as a nazi using a lie as evidence. Which is it?

56 posted on 08/18/2002 2:51:08 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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To: darkrepublican
Clinton covered the statues also. Rented drapes at $8K per pop. Just imagine if THAT slug or Reno had been in same photo as these art decco statues. Much ado about nothing.
57 posted on 08/18/2002 2:51:47 PM PDT by donozark
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To: Recovering_Democrat
What will constitute cessation of hostilities in the War On Terror?
58 posted on 08/18/2002 2:54:46 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: DugwayDuke
So if you're in a race, and you know your opponent will cheat, it shouldn't bother you to give them a large head start?
59 posted on 08/18/2002 2:55:03 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: dogbyte12
Now you are comparing Reno to Ashcroft. No comparison. I know the man, and he ain't Janet Reno! Padilla is a piece of shit. He should have been executed for murder years ago. He is a recidivist. An habitual offender.

You/I/we only know what the media and gov tells us about this character. Perhaps they have more on him than we know. Perhaps as more of his "buddies" are rounded up, they will gather more intel that can be released to the public. Time will tell. In the mean time? My $ is on Ashcroft.

60 posted on 08/18/2002 2:56:14 PM PDT by donozark
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