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FLAME WARS, BANISHMENTS, ANTI-FREEPERS. YOUR CALLS, YOUR OPINIONS THIS WEEK ON RADIO FREE REPUBLIC
Radio FreeRepublic and the Free Republic Network ^ | August 13, 2002 | Luis Gonzalez

Posted on 08/13/2002 9:40:24 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez

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WHY DO CONSERVATIVES EAT THEIR OWN?

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To: DrLiberty
YOU SIR ARE A DIRTY LIAR.

Wrong again.

Words mean very specific things. You want an open revolt. "Open revolt" means something very specific. You think that Hillary is the means of precipitating said open revolt.

I WILL HAVE NO MORE TO DO WITH YOU AND I ADVISE EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM TO IGNORE YOU.

I advise you to quit using all caps. It makes your rantings sound even more foolish than they actually are.

WHAT I SAID I SAID AND YOU CONTINUE TO LIE ABOUT IT - PROUDLY.

What you said, you said--and now you are desperate to weasel out of it.

541 posted on 08/15/2002 5:54:08 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: christine
I wouldn't call what we have debates, no offense, but when you post, expect others to reply.Why don't you tell me DrLiberty's point? I'd like to hear how you "perceive" the post.

Me, I just read it.
542 posted on 08/15/2002 6:06:35 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Poohbah
Cute, snappy, - but if so, you would have learned that YOU alone were the judge of a legal order.

If you obeyed it. If you didn't, then the court martial board would also judge the legality of the order.

Of course a court martial would judge. - Do you think you made another snappy point? Sappy, - yes.

Someone shooting at you isn't a civilian. However, maybe people stupid enough to deliberately jump out of a perfectly good airplane aren't intelligent enough to figure that subtle point out.

Again, cute, but its a butt dumb jarhead talking. -- I doubt that a civil insurrection in america would ever get to the point of serious civilian/army combat, like nam.

Wow. You must've missed DrLiberty's onanistic fantasy about general insurrection that started the discussion. As usual, you don't let your abject ignorance hold you back from making a fool of yourself.

Why should docs comments affect mine? -- You ignorance of any semblence of logical thought is really evident, you aware of that? Get help.

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  Jumping into Budapest was only hours away from happening in '56,

Most assuredly it was not. You may have been TOLD that, but it was clear from the decision-making going on at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue that it was not ever seriously contemplated.

I was there on the tarmac, just south of Munich, in full combat gear waiting for the green light, you clown, along with the rest of the 503rd. - Sure, it may have been a bluff, but how in hell would YOU know?

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and the 502 went to Beruit in '58, [without me].

After the Marines had secured the place for them, of course.

Sure poo, you were the hero in '58. Were you even born?

543 posted on 08/15/2002 6:13:44 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Poohbah
I admire you for what you've done for your country. Too bad others only want to tear it down and urinate on your efforts.
544 posted on 08/15/2002 6:21:00 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: tpaine
was there on the tarmac, just south of Munich, in full combat gear waiting for the green light, you clown, along with the rest of the 503rd. - Sure, it may have been a bluff, but how in hell would YOU know?

There are these amazing things known as "books." You gain knowledge by a process known as "reading."

And there have been a number of books on the Hungarian Revolt of 1956, and how Eisenhower (a) did not have NATO consensus for intervention, and thus would not be able to relieve any airborne forces deep inside Hungary (any relief effort would have involved a drive through East Germany and Czechoslovakia); and (b) was too busy dealing with the Suez fiasco and its fallout (which, BTW, was part of the reason why NATO would not support intervention--the two most important alliance members after the US were tied up in that mess) to be able to effectively respond.

and the 502 went to Beruit in '58, [without me].

After the Marines had secured the place for them, of course.

Sure poo, you were the hero in '58. Were you even born?

No, I was not born in 1958, but I've read enough history to know that the 502nd arrived well AFTER the Marines had landed and secured the airport.

545 posted on 08/15/2002 6:31:44 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: tpaine
Why should docs comments affect mine?

Because you were commenting on my response to DrLiberty's comments, that's why. In short, you inserted yourself into a conversation without getting up to speed on the content, and thus made your remarks from a position of ignorance.

-- You ignorance of any semblence of logical thought is really evident, you aware of that?

You are the sort of individual who couldn't get a clue if you stripped naked, doused yourself in clue musk, and did the clue mating dance in a field full of horny clues, all at the height of clue mating season.

546 posted on 08/15/2002 6:36:40 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: habs4ever
I believe it would wake people up to the true nature of the world we are living in, and ultimately help OUR cause as a result. Bush is not an answer to anything, we are actually losing ground. We have no true leaders left to become President or hold sway in Congress. A cultural awakening is what is needed and Hillary becoming President might just accomplish that.

i don't see where drliberty is advocating this. he is saying that he believes that were hillary elected, he would EXPECT A WAKEUP of the masses and what that could possibly entail. what i *applauded* was his defense of his point to poohbah, who, i think, accused drliberty of an advocation of an armed/violent revolt.

547 posted on 08/15/2002 6:56:40 PM PDT by christine
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To: Poohbah
was there on the tarmac, just south of Munich, in full combat gear waiting for the green light, you clown, along with the rest of the 503rd. - Sure, it may have been a bluff, but how in hell would YOU know?

There are these amazing things known as "books." You gain knowledge by a process known as "reading."

Ah yeess, silly sarcasum, sure sign of a weak mind.

And there have been a number of books on the Hungarian Revolt of 1956, and how Eisenhower (a) did not have NATO consensus for intervention, and thus would not be able to relieve any airborne forces deep inside Hungary (any relief effort would have involved a drive through East Germany and Czechoslovakia); and (b) was too busy dealing with the Suez fiasco and its fallout (which, BTW, was part of the reason why NATO would not support intervention--the two most important alliance members after the US were tied up in that mess) to be able to effectively respond.

Our mission was announced as to be assisting in the evacuation of american personel. - I've read the histories, and our two days at the airport have never been mentioned.
If the russians had reacted differently, Ike might have sent us in. -- You don't know, nor do I.

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and the 502 went to Beruit in '58, [without me].

After the Marines had secured the place for them, of course.
[Sure poo, you were the hero in '58. Were you even born?]
No, I was not born in 1958, but I've read enough history to know that the 502nd arrived well AFTER the Marines had landed and secured the airport.

Big deal. This is not about marines v airborne, its about you being a poop.

548 posted on 08/15/2002 7:05:26 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Poohbah
Why should docs comments affect mine?

Because you were commenting on my response to DrLiberty's comments, that's why.

So what? Your silly comments stood as being silly all on their own, - just as I noted.

In short, you inserted yourself into a conversation without getting up to speed on the content, and thus made your remarks from a position of ignorance.

Only your own profound ignorance allows you to post this idioctic gibberish. -- Thanks.

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-- You ignorance of any semblence of logical thought is really evident, you aware of that?

MYou are the sort of individual who couldn't get a clue if you stripped naked, doused yourself in clue musk, and did the clue mating dance in a field full of horny clues, all at the height of clue mating season.

Sure thing poo. Thanks again. That bit of loony bull should be put on your home page, as a 'clue' to your personality.

549 posted on 08/15/2002 7:21:44 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/733959/posts

Join the FR chat...it's FUN.
550 posted on 08/15/2002 7:29:07 PM PDT by Selara
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To: PJ-Comix
"According to the Liberals, we are all a bunch of mind-numbed robots who all march (goosestep) to the same tune so I guess the divisions contradicts that notion. Anyway, I like the fact that their are many arguments about conflicting ideas here. It makes for interesting threads."

You don't have to be a liberal to think that. I can't stand liberals and I think that about most people here today. In fact I don't see why most people here could call themselves anything but liberals. That is what they are. They just put an R in front of there names and call themselves Conservatives. There is nothing conservative about them that I can see. In the old days FR was full of conservative people. Hey even JR was a conservative. Those were times when there was actually hope.

551 posted on 08/15/2002 8:00:06 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Luis Gonzalez
All your arguments are tangential to the issue. I might agree with you, if the issue was: "where do our rights come from?" But the issue is - are there some rights in the Bill of Rights which do not cover certain people. That issue arose at this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/582306/posts

If a French terrorist 'of Moroccan descent", like Zacharias Moussoui living in Minnesota has a computer, that the FBI considers worthy of searching, they can search it without a warrant. He therefore has no 4th Amendment rights. Therefore, BARR IS WRONG.

The delay caused by that judge who did not grant permission to search ZM's computer quite probably caused many Americans to lose their right to life and property in New York city. The FBI should have just gone ahead and searched it, instead of being so afraid of the ACLU that they asked a judge - a liberal judge - even though they didn't have to.

Thomas Jefferson would roll over in his grave if he knew that French citizens were in America plotting destruction and mayhem, and we tied our own hands with restraint over something that was established for people and posterity of the United States. Lord help us if we can't spy on our enemies because of do-gooders. They'll collapse the World Trade Centers, while beating their self-righteous chests, every time.

552 posted on 08/15/2002 8:03:06 PM PDT by H.Akston
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To: Pistias
Whatever he's asking, I'm telling him that the Constitution (Supreme Law) SAYS that it was established to secure the blessings of liberty TO the posterity of the people OF THE UNITED STATES.

We don't secure the blessings of liberty to foreigners.
That's what the law is.

553 posted on 08/15/2002 8:16:03 PM PDT by H.Akston
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To: DrLiberty
I really appreciate your intellectual and wise comments. It is not often that I see that much here anymore. After JR lost is head the whole place turned worthless. I hope to see more of your posts.

Revel
554 posted on 08/15/2002 8:33:27 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Luis Gonzalez
If we take rights seriously, we may see that the equivocal language of our Constitution furnishes a vehicle and a formidable legal argument for recognizing the rights of all persons, even illegal immigrants, terrorists, and other enemies of the state.

If we take the Preamble to the Constitution seriously, we may see that the Constitution does not secure the blessings of liberty to anyone but those Persons OF THE UNITED STATES, and CERTAINLY NOT, to foreign enemies of the United States who have invaded and squat furtively among us.

When you have a document that is framed right up front in this context, you have to be pretty intellectually dishonest and idiotic, to not understand that the "persons" referred to in the Bill of Rights are Persons of the United States. To say as the above quote says, that you agree with, that foreign terrorists are protected by the 4th Amendment - is a laughable absurdity, and deadly wrong, as it is a recipe for 911, and the destruction of divine - not just man-conceived, but DIVINE rights to individual lives and property, which our government is supposed to protect for people OF THE UNITED STATES.

555 posted on 08/15/2002 8:36:02 PM PDT by H.Akston
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To: H.Akston
Then why are we bothering to hold a trial Hugh?

BTW, carry on about the Fourth, but remember one thing, once you have found a reason to violate any one's rights, someone else will find reason to violate yours. And I'm sure your argument will be used once private ownership of guns has been outlawed.

I guess you were perfectly fine with Reno's raid on the Gonzalez's household to "arrest" Elian, after all, they were not "of the United States".

I'll repeat what the author said once again for you. In the context of July 4th, 1776...exactly who were these persons "of the United States"? Surely, you do recall that the United States did not exist at the time
556 posted on 08/15/2002 8:43:42 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: H.Akston
"That's what the law is."

No Hugh, that's what YOU think the law is.

557 posted on 08/15/2002 8:44:40 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Bill D. Berger; Admin Moderator
If you ascribe to the Claire Wolfe's neo-Leninist dictum then you have no good business here on FR.

Yes I do,..

Congratulations. You just earned your place on the Nut List. FreeRepublic is here to roll back liberal policies, not to promulgate civil insurrection. If you believe America is in that 'awkward stage' wherein it is hopeless to work from within the political framework and a tad too early to be committing political murder, then you really ought to consider finding a militia nutcase website. This site is for conservatives, not ideologues. I choose to not associate with losers. From henceforth you may not ping me to anything you write.

559 posted on 08/15/2002 9:58:04 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Who appointed you gummint censor? And you're a narc too.

If you're happy and you know it

Clank your chains!
560 posted on 08/15/2002 10:01:59 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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