Posted on 08/07/2002 9:09:16 AM PDT by gubamyster
Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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I agree with you on that. Take a look at post 9# on this thread.
What do black racists trying to extort money from the public have to do with the topic of this thread?
And you completely misunderstood my question.
How do you know that these outward changes will effect peace in their lives?
Sorry, I don't know. I can't read minds, so I will just have to take their word on it.
By the way, did you even read post 26 of this thread?
How do you know that these behavioral tendencies don't stem from something else... e.g., to use the crudely vernacular, just being plain F-ED UP?
Like I said before, I don't know. But medical evidence given in those accounts seem to suggest that what you just said is not the case.
Like I said before the truth is stranger than what you think.
If you want to look up what I am talk about, it is called both sexual reassignment surgery or genital reassignment surgery.
A few points. 1) there is not likely to be an impartial party reading posts on FR. It is also not likely that there truly is an impartial party when it comes to vices and perversions.
2) JMJ has not flamed you. I know her (not him) pretty well by now and I can frame what she has written to you by my knowledge of her. In a written environment like this one, you need to give people more of the benefit of the doubt.
3) I would like to see your exhaustive research of absolutely everyone who suffers from gender identity confusion and the efforts they went through to be cured and document their failures. I would also like to see your proof that you have not missed anyone. I will be surprised if you actually offer such, because I know people who have been cured by therapy.
Human beings are a combination of physical and spiritual beings. The spiritual does not have a sex, the physical has a sex that is determined by his or her sexual organs. If he is born with a penis, he is a boy. If she is born with ovaries and a uterus, she is a girl. There are a small number of cases where the sexual organs do not develop. In those cases there is a true physical gender identity problem which does not relate to this discussion. All other gender identity problems are a mental illness which is treatable, but you have to know something about treatment. The suggestion of lobotomy and shock therapy show people who did not know anything about treating mental illness. Most of today's psychologists know nothing about the spiritual side of man and so are either ineffective, or actually harmful.
Regarding ignorance - I try to avoid it.
Shalom.
I think most of our moral and ethical problems are based on the fact that we have so much liesure time.
I mean, think about it. When Mr. and Mrs. America got up at dawn to start their work and went to bed exhausted at dusk because their work made them so tired, do you think it ever occurred to them to discuss whether homosexuals or cross-dressers were perverted or normal? Mr. America is sitting down at dinner and says, "You know, Mother (they always called each other Mother and Father) I was thinking while out in the corn field this afternoon and I think we just might be being a little too hard on homosexuals. Maybe it's normal for some men to prefer putting their penises up other men's rectums rather than in women's vaginas." Mrs. America replies, "Father, I don't know what you've been smoking, but we've got a farm to run. If I ever catch you smoking it, or thinking about where other people are putting their penises again, you're going to think you were born with a frying pan in your head. Now shut up and eat your supper."
Learning to treat a sickness as normal takes time. When you don't have the time, you go with the obvious.
Shalom.
Some people like to lump different issues into one to justify their own opinions. I find that to be wrong and I called people on that.
2) JMJ has not flamed you. I know her (not him) pretty well by now and I can frame what she has written to you by my knowledge of her. In a written environment like this one, you need to give people more of the benefit of the doubt.
Unlike you, she has called me names half a dozen times. You on the other hand have been very mature.
3) I would like to see your exhaustive research of absolutely everyone who suffers from gender identity confusion and the efforts they went through to be cured and document their failures. I would also like to see your proof that you have not missed anyone. I will be surprised if you actually offer such, because I know people who have been cured by therapy.
If you are willing to share your data, I will share mine. I still have a couple of links. But I will NOT post them directly on Free Republic because some of them are very explicit.
Human beings are a combination of physical and spiritual beings. The spiritual does not have a sex, the physical has a sex that is determined by his or her sexual organs. If he is born with a penis, he is a boy. If she is born with ovaries and a uterus, she is a girl.
It is a very shallow to believe that person’s body defines their personality. That is like saying that a person’s clothes define their personality.
It is their MIND that defines their personality. There are to many geniuses, artists and writers in the world to believe the one’s body defines one personality.
There are a small number of cases where the sexual organs do not develop.
Your wrong of this issue, in cases of deformed sexual organs, they do develop, they just don’t develop normally.
In those cases there is a true physical gender identity problem which does not relate to this discussion. All other gender identity problems are a mental illness which is treatable, but you have to know something about treatment.
I also mentioned medication and counseling (both religious and psychiatric) as not working.
What else is there?
The suggestion of lobotomy and shock therapy show people who did not know anything about treating mental illness.
In those cases, I was talking about accounts that happened 50 to 60 years ago.
Most of today's psychologists know nothing about the spiritual side of man and so are either ineffective, or actually harmful.
Since the spirit can be hurt be misery by not being at peace with one’s body. It would be wise to begin peace where it is absent, even if the person has to live as the opposite gender (that they were physically born as) to do it.
Regarding ignorance - I try to avoid it.
Good
forgetten?
Actually, I was just curious to see if you would pick up on it.
Also, at least I look into the information, unlike you who just criticizes from the bleacher benches.
When I see something that merits the effort, I will. So far, you've mentioned no scientific studies. The fact of the matter, the "trannie" is still his or her original gender, as evidenced by the chromosomal makeup. They enjoy pretending to be something they are not, presumeably because they are unsuccessful at living in the real world.
This is a classic theological error as well as a modern materialistic one.
When you find out how to display a mind which is separate from a body, I will accept your assertion. Until that time, body and spirit, or as some prefer to say, body, mind, and soul, are integrated and inseparable until death. All three make us what we are. Our sex is determined by our body. The balance of masculinity and femininity in an individual is not so clear cut. One source of this gender identity confusion in our day and age is our total inability to separate masculinity from maleness, and our inability to deal with the wide range of masculinity that is normal for men, and femininity that is normal for women.
Since I don't have the permissions of my friends to post their names, I will not give you the sources of theraputic success. But I think I will respect the opinions of my friends over what you read in your articles.
Shalom.
Khep, there ain't a paper bag heavy enough.
'Nuff said.
Shalom.
When you find out how to display a mind which is separate from a body, I will accept your assertion. Until that time, body and spirit, or as some prefer to say, body, mind, and soul, are integrated and inseparable until death. All three make us what we are. Our sex is determined by our body. The balance of masculinity and femininity in an individual is not so clear cut. One source of this gender identity confusion in our day and age is our total inability to separate masculinity from maleness, and our inability to deal with the wide range of masculinity that is normal for men, and femininity that is normal for women.
Nope and that is at the very core of this debate.
You believe that a person is the sum of their parts (spirit included). I disagree.
And people have been debating that one issue for thousands of years.
Since I don't have the permissions of my friends to post their names, I will not give you the sources of theraputic success. But I think I will respect the opinions of my friends over what you read in your articles.
I offered to show you my evidence, if you showed yours. But since you refuse to do so, you have put your entire arguement in question. And because of that, there is nothing more to discuss with you.
And people have been debating that one issue for thousands of years.
I don't believe a person is the sum of his parts, I believe a person is a complete whole.
And people may be debating issues so they can rationalize their sin, but G-d has not been debating them.
It is interesting that when I tell you I know of people who have been cured from gender identification problems you decide to stand on your obviously incomplete information rather than continue to discuss the issue.
Shalom.
I didn't know Maxine could sing.
Shalom.
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