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To: Paul C. Jesup
Just keep in mind that you cannot be grounded in reality if you base your opinions on ignorance.

A few points. 1) there is not likely to be an impartial party reading posts on FR. It is also not likely that there truly is an impartial party when it comes to vices and perversions.

2) JMJ has not flamed you. I know her (not him) pretty well by now and I can frame what she has written to you by my knowledge of her. In a written environment like this one, you need to give people more of the benefit of the doubt.

3) I would like to see your exhaustive research of absolutely everyone who suffers from gender identity confusion and the efforts they went through to be cured and document their failures. I would also like to see your proof that you have not missed anyone. I will be surprised if you actually offer such, because I know people who have been cured by therapy.

Human beings are a combination of physical and spiritual beings. The spiritual does not have a sex, the physical has a sex that is determined by his or her sexual organs. If he is born with a penis, he is a boy. If she is born with ovaries and a uterus, she is a girl. There are a small number of cases where the sexual organs do not develop. In those cases there is a true physical gender identity problem which does not relate to this discussion. All other gender identity problems are a mental illness which is treatable, but you have to know something about treatment. The suggestion of lobotomy and shock therapy show people who did not know anything about treating mental illness. Most of today's psychologists know nothing about the spiritual side of man and so are either ineffective, or actually harmful.

Regarding ignorance - I try to avoid it.

Shalom.

105 posted on 08/08/2002 12:59:08 PM PDT by ArGee
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To: ArGee
A few points. 1) there is not likely to be an impartial party reading posts on FR. It is also not likely that there truly is an impartial party when it comes to vices and perversions.

Some people like to lump different issues into one to justify their own opinions. I find that to be wrong and I called people on that.

2) JMJ has not flamed you. I know her (not him) pretty well by now and I can frame what she has written to you by my knowledge of her. In a written environment like this one, you need to give people more of the benefit of the doubt.

Unlike you, she has called me names half a dozen times. You on the other hand have been very mature.

3) I would like to see your exhaustive research of absolutely everyone who suffers from gender identity confusion and the efforts they went through to be cured and document their failures. I would also like to see your proof that you have not missed anyone. I will be surprised if you actually offer such, because I know people who have been cured by therapy.

If you are willing to share your data, I will share mine. I still have a couple of links. But I will NOT post them directly on Free Republic because some of them are very explicit.

Human beings are a combination of physical and spiritual beings. The spiritual does not have a sex, the physical has a sex that is determined by his or her sexual organs. If he is born with a penis, he is a boy. If she is born with ovaries and a uterus, she is a girl.

It is a very shallow to believe that person’s body defines their personality. That is like saying that a person’s clothes define their personality.

It is their MIND that defines their personality. There are to many geniuses, artists and writers in the world to believe the one’s body defines one personality.

There are a small number of cases where the sexual organs do not develop.

Your wrong of this issue, in cases of deformed sexual organs, they do develop, they just don’t develop normally.

In those cases there is a true physical gender identity problem which does not relate to this discussion. All other gender identity problems are a mental illness which is treatable, but you have to know something about treatment.

I also mentioned medication and counseling (both religious and psychiatric) as not working.

What else is there?

The suggestion of lobotomy and shock therapy show people who did not know anything about treating mental illness.

In those cases, I was talking about accounts that happened 50 to 60 years ago.

Most of today's psychologists know nothing about the spiritual side of man and so are either ineffective, or actually harmful.

Since the spirit can be hurt be misery by not being at peace with one’s body. It would be wise to begin peace where it is absent, even if the person has to live as the opposite gender (that they were physically born as) to do it.

Regarding ignorance - I try to avoid it.

Good

107 posted on 08/08/2002 1:48:03 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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