Skip to comments.Experts Find Glocks Prone To Accidents
Posted on 08/07/2002 6:24:01 AM PDT by jalisco555
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A Glock is a safe weapon, Cominolli said, but only if the person handling it knows how to use it. If the gun is unloaded in the wrong order, for example, a round of ammunition can be left in the chamber without the user realizing it, he said. With no manual safety, the gun will fire if the trigger is pulled.
1. I never use safeties because they lock you at the wrong time, and they do not work at the wrong time. Except if you are a 1911 type on alert cocked and locked, I see no use of the safety in Glocks, just keep it in DA mode and things should be fine
2. All semi-autos can have a round loaded while the magazine is out. So duh! When making sure a round is not chambered, one looks in the chamber, not in the magazine by removing it.
This article seems like bull and I smell a media/law suit going on.
I carried the Glock 17,as part of my previous employment.
None of my Buddies or I have ever had any problems with our issued weapon.
We use a S&W semi-auto (665??) that doesn't fire when the clip is removed (although there is a way to reactivate the gun with a carefully placed pen in the receiver). This feature was deemed essential after one of our guys was shot and killed with his own revolver after a struggle with a crazy guy: if you are in a fight for possession, you can press the clip disengage button and let him take the piece, them beat him sensless with your stick.
Duh. Yes, a gun will fire when you pull the trigger. So don't pull the trigger unless you want it to fire.
"Even with good training, people forget," he said. "And guns are not forgiving."
What exactly do they forget? To not pull the trigger? Or is it the ever-so-complicated idea that the chamber loads from the magazine, so one should remove the magazine before clearing the chamber?
If the people are too stupid to realize how an autoloader loads, they shouldn't be issued weapons, or be allowed to drive a car, or operate a toaster.
A-men brother!! Anyone who uses a Glock has to adapt to this.
Every firearm is loaded. I don't care if I put it down 10 seconds ago, when I pick it up, I check to see whether or not it is loaded. On a semi-auto, this includes checking to see if a round is chambered.
Only point firearms at things you intend to shoot, when you pick up the beer, put away the guns, teach your kids how to handle firearms safely, and you won't have any problems.
"We took a look at what went on," Czaplicki said. "We had a group of people look at it. It raised some red flags."
The firearms instructor is still teaching probation officers, said Czaplicki, who would not identify the instructor.
I asked for a Glock, but they would only give me this revolver and one bullet.
When I took my first safety course relating to semi-autos, it was pounded into our heads, magazine out first, clear the round from the chamber next.
A guy here in Idaho found out the hard way at a party a few years ago. Got drunk (a "here-hold-muh-beer" thing) was playing with his new "toy". Put the clip in and pulled the trigger - nothing. Pulled the clip out and pulled the trigger - nothing. Put the clip in, chambered a round, safety on, pulled at the trigger - nothing. Pulled the clip out, safety on, pulled at the trigger, nothing. Put the clip in, took the safety off, pulled the trigger (remember the still-chambered round???)- bang. All this time, he pointed the gun at his head at each trigger pull. The round killed him, killed the moron still in the room sitting next to him and went throught the mouth of the second moron still in the room with this drunk idiot.
Because Glocks are drop safe, meaning that they can be dropped without discharging, people call them safe. Most automatics have that feature and most modern revolvers and many older revolvers do as well. That isnt much of a bragging ight.
Glocks have no personnel safety. They have no manual locking safety nor a magazine drop safety. They also require a convoluted method to clear them. Negligent discharges are far more frequent with Glocks. Of course, most Glock users claim to be experts until they shoot their foot off.
If you pull the trigger, it goes bang. If you don't pull the trigger, it doesn't go bang. If you don't want it to go bang, don't pull the trigger.
I don't know why some people find them so difficult.
Another triumph of outcome-based education, I'd wager. For example, how the officer feels about gun safety if more important than actually acting in the appropriate manner. I mean, the officer was entitled to feel safe, now wasn't she? How can we be so judgemennnnnnnnnnntal?
I am aware of at least two people with S&W autopistols killed when the magazine release of their handguns was inadvertantly bumped or depressed when hurriedly grabbed, and the magazine safety functioned exactly as designed, leaving them with a nonfunctioning handgun while an adversary killed them. That's not to say that I wasn't fond of the sweet little S&W M39 autoloader I carried as an armored car courier/driver and gun guard...after the magazine safety was disconnected.
But I'm much more displeased with other cgharacteristics of the Glocks, including their rifling profile unsuitable for unjacketed lead bullets, their unsuitability with reloaded training ammunition, an unfortunate tendency of some models to fire before the breech is fully locked up, and the *phase three* malfunction in which a glock will sometimes try to rechamber a fired case before it's fully ejected from the weapon, usually jamming the action pretty good.
I've still got a Model 17, the original version first introduced by Gaston Glock, and as used by the Austrian, Norwegian and Israeli military. But I'm under no illusions that it's perfect or *absolutely* reliable, any more than any other bit of machinery can be. It'll do, if I do my part.
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