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U.S. Arsenal Refill on Overdrive as Powell, Rumsfeld Split
NewsMax.com ^ | 8/04/02 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 08/05/2002 3:55:48 AM PDT by kattracks

Newsweek reports this week that although the war with Iraq has not begun, "So far the big battles are in Washington, not Baghdad."

The magazine notes that "Secretary of State Colin Powell, the only combat veteran among Bush’s senior aides, is said to be determined that if U.S. troops are committed, they go in with overwhelming force. Vice President Dick Cheney (who had student and parent deferments during Vietnam) and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (a Navy pilot in the years between Korea and Vietnam) are eager to finish the job Bush’s father started when he was president."

Both Cheney and Rumsfeld believe far fewer troops are needed for an Iraqi invasion.

Newsweek also claims that "By Rumsfeld’s orders, even the Joint Chiefs of Staff have been shut out of the planning process - a decision that has only added to the generals’ unhappiness."

Despite the Washington battles, the U.S. is in high gear for war.

The magazine states:

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; buildup; cheney; drawdown; iraq; mediabias; military; munitions; newsweek; petroleumreserves; powell; rummy; rumsfeld; spr
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1 posted on 08/05/2002 3:55:48 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
bump
2 posted on 08/05/2002 3:57:52 AM PDT by Batwoman
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To: kattracks
the U.S. Department of Energy was working to get America’s strategic petroleum reserve up to its full capacity of 700 million barrels

Remind me again (since the media won't), who decided to bring those levels down in a vote-getting scheme in the northeastern part of the US?

3 posted on 08/05/2002 3:57:54 AM PDT by zandtar
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To: zandtar
I beleive you're thinking of a Chinese employee who had a fondness for sinks and cigars.
4 posted on 08/05/2002 4:05:09 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: zandtar
Remind me again (since the media won't), who decided to bring those levels down in a vote-getting scheme in the northeastern part of the US?

You asked for it...


5 posted on 08/05/2002 4:06:40 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul
Who is that young infantryman so eager to grab a rifle and hop in a ditch to defend Israel?
6 posted on 08/05/2002 4:09:25 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: Ahban
If Powell is the one insisting on overwhelming force, then he has my respect.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

7 posted on 08/05/2002 4:17:12 AM PDT by section9
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To: Ahban


"I wonder how many chicks I can catch dressed like this."

8 posted on 08/05/2002 4:20:44 AM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: American in Israel
What is your perspective on this?
9 posted on 08/05/2002 4:22:00 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: ppaul
Please tell me that's not real......
10 posted on 08/05/2002 4:50:07 AM PDT by PogySailor
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To: 2sheep
There are a few very slight indications that Israel is getting ready. I suspect that half the reason that the Hamas has not been wiped in a full scale war is Israel is holding back to help Bush. But it is all speculation on my part. The patience and mercy of the Jews has surprised me on a few occasions.

As for my overall impression, is we have a lot to cram into a handful of years. Might as well get started.

11 posted on 08/05/2002 5:42:23 AM PDT by American in Israel
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To: kattracks; Diogenesis
Ping to Dio.

I like the way this article paints the "only veteran cabinet member" as the dove.

In fact, I don't know any veterans in my family that are gung-ho for half-way war. This article makes my favorite Rummy sound like a tinkerer that thinks he can get more Afghanistan results on the cheap.
12 posted on 08/05/2002 5:58:04 AM PDT by sam_paine
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To: kattracks
Newsweek reports this week that although the war with Iraq has not begun, "So far the big battles are in Washington, not Baghdad."

having read the article, i am not sure that i agree with this headline. disagreement is to be expected within a tightly knit team during the problem definition and problem solution stage. each player needs to assertively get his perspective and the data he is aware of, on the table.

so near as i can tell, there is no argument about strategy; the debate is on tactics. that is, nobody is arguing if iraq should be invaded in this article, but rather they are arguing how iraq should be invaded.

these are team players and once a decision is reach, expect everyone to rally around, defend, and make happen, the decision.

shame on newsweek for putting the anti-bush, anti-american slant on this story. this is yet another example of the news media trying to undermine public opinion on the war against terrorism.

13 posted on 08/05/2002 6:38:11 AM PDT by mlocher
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To: American in Israel
There are a few very slight indications that Israel is getting ready. I suspect that half the reason that the Hamas has not been wiped in a full scale war is Israel is holding back to help Bush. But it is all speculation on my part. The patience and mercy of the Jews has surprised me on a few occasions.

excellent observation and insight.

14 posted on 08/05/2002 6:41:00 AM PDT by mlocher
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To: kattracks
The perfumed generals are professionals. If "fighting" is not of their liking, all they have to do is resign and walk away. That never happens, they love that power. Fighting generals never get to the top, Powell proved that.
15 posted on 08/05/2002 6:46:45 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: sam_paine
You missed one word from their statement.

the only combat veteran among Bush’s senior aides

Sec of Def Rummy is a Navy Vet.

16 posted on 08/05/2002 6:50:47 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: kattracks
Shouldn't Cheney be considered a combat vet as secretary of defense during the 1991 Gulf War? Someone had to be at the top.
17 posted on 08/05/2002 7:14:47 AM PDT by blam
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To: Pistolshot
This is my rifle this is my gun, this one is for sekshual relations and this one is too.
18 posted on 08/05/2002 7:25:17 AM PDT by Delbert
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To: kattracks
What I think is interesting, is that both sides can be right, and the solution is somewhere in the middle. To support the SECDEF and VP is the Principal of War, Economy of Force. In addition, the book, One More Bridge to Cross: Lowering the Cost of War talks about using too many troops leads to more casualties.

However, the time NOT find out you need more is when it isn't there as what happened during Anaconda with Fire Support.

Of course regardless of which it decided, the Monday Morning quarterbacks could improve on it.

19 posted on 08/05/2002 7:37:20 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: ASA Vet
No. I saw that. And I saw the distinction the article tries to make...

Vice President Dick Cheney (who had student and parent deferments during Vietnam) and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (a Navy pilot in the years between Korea and Vietnam) are eager ...to

Their point is a good one, if true. I'd hate to see an operation be undermined by being undermanned.

20 posted on 08/05/2002 7:37:51 AM PDT by sam_paine
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