Cultural Suicide

LewRockwell ^ | 07/19/01 | Christopher Manion

[Ohioan]

One can refer to the mistaken values that this essay correctly exposes as "cultural suicide," or one can equally well denominate it as "racial suicide," "ethnic suicide," "national suicide," or "self-imposed genocide."

The hysterical Leftist attacks on physical anthropology and ethnologists have masked the fact that there is an enormous correlation between culture and ancestry. The reality is that a people's culture reflects the people who created that culture. Human society is not a game of musical chairs; where the chairs determine the characteristics of their occupants.

I do not join those who disparage the character of the typical Mexican. He, as we, has his good points and his bad points. But he, as we, reflects the genetic makeup of his family. That plays a major role in steering his cultural development. Conservatives need to stop being afraid of understanding that a nation is about kith and kin; hereditary lines of descent. Call it race, nation, tribe, or whatever. The terminology is not as important as understanding the concept.

All of Socialism--including the Nazi version, which the Left has tried to picture as an evil based upon a "Master Race" theory--is in fact based upon the idea that man is more plastic than any of the actual evidence would suggest. If man is not plastic, how can Socialist Government, whether Communist, Nazi, Social Democratic or Fabian, improve man by dominating his life, and macro and micro managing his social environment? This idea that man is plastic is the single most important Socialist premise--however they may define it verbally.

But to dispel the idea, you need look no further than the very subject at hand--the Mexican culture and the effect of its infusion into the United States--to illustrate the point. We lump Mexicans; but the reality is that they are not lumpable. They come from some quite distinct pools of inherited traits; and the contrast even after well over four centuries of living under an imposed Spanish cultural medium, including a common religion, language and Government, has done very little towards removing the immense difference in behavioral patterns between the small actual Spannish elite, the huge Mestizo populations, and the remaining purer Indian types--including those lately desperately trying to reassert their own heritage.

It is not a kindness to anyone to pretend that you can simply assimilate people into cultures designed by other people as a reflection of those other people's social traits, and achieve the same happy, congenial society, as that which tends to characterize a prosperous homogeneous society.

There is such a thing as a fusion--it usually takes about 200 years to really work--where compatible types form a new variety of man; but this is not something that you can program--that is assuming there would be some reason why you would want to. Far, far better, that we learn to respect one another for our very differences--often the small, unique characteristics which make life more interesting and rewarding. Reggie White had the right spin on the subject in his speech to the Wisconsin Legislature--the one that was denounced by almost every Leftist in America. But in that mutual respect, there is no argument whatsoever for increasing the Mexican Mestizo contingent in the population of the United States. Indeed, consider the flip side. Do you think, after their Texas experience, the Mexicans would suddenly want to see a sizeable Anglo settlement in another part of Mexico?

This is not intended as a criticism of the article, which is excellent. I am only making an additional point.

One other matter, is this Manion by any chance a descendant of the late, great Dean Clarence Manion, of the Notre Dame Law School, and Conservative leadership fame? I know that some of his children were very active and dedicated Conservatives, but I am not familiar with a Christopher.

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[4Freedom]

Great article. Thanks for the ping.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[Twodees]

What does Rockwellian libertarianism really propose to do about immigration? Isn't Rockwellism just a feel-good mishmash of contradictory ideas that aren't intended to be realized? 3

There's no such thing as "Rockwellian" libertarianism or of "Rockwellism" except in the minds of people who don't think articles from his site should be allowed here.

How comes it that Catholic Mexico doesn't represent Aristolelian ideas and Christian ideals? What went wrong?

Mexico hasn't been a Catholic country since the revolution. It's a socialist state in which most of the peons are still Catholic but who have no voice in the government. That you have to ask what went wrong there shows you need to refrain from lecturing others on history.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

I fear no immigrant group even 1/10th as much as the RATS.

You should!! Here is but a small excerpt regarding MEChA. They are ON OUR HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE CAMPUSES!! Seemingly, with the blessings of school administrations. After a brief synopsis, I will provide a link for you to read a thread that was recently posted here. Even if it takes an hour to read through the WHOLE thing. I hope you will. It is a real danger..and it is happening right under our collective noses!!!

From AZATLAN UNDERGROUND!!

Here is what is stated on the MeChA HOME PAGE about AZTLAN.

The fundamental principles that led to the founding of Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán are found in El Plan de Santa Barbara (EPDSB). The Manifesto of EPDSB sees self-determination for the Chicana and Chicano Chicano and Chicana Movement in El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán (EPEDA). A synopsis of El Plan stipulates:

1) We are Chicanos and Chicanas of Aztlán reclaiming the land of out birth (Chicano and Chicana Nation);

2) Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture;

3) We are a union of free pueblos forming a bronze nation;

4) Chicano and Chicana nationalism, as the key in mobilization and organization, is the common denominator to bring consensus to the Chicano and Chicana Movement...

Here is another "goodie" from the MeChA website:

In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

And, finally, these "goodies:"

5. Economic program to drive the exploiter out of our community and a welding together of our people's combined resources to control their own production through cooperative effort.

6. Creation of an independent local, regional, and national political party.

A nation autonomous and free - culturally, socially, economically, and politically- will make its own decisions on the usage of our lands, the taxation of our goods, the utilization of our bodies for war, the determination of justice (reward and punishment), and the profit of our sweat.

El Plan de Aztlán is the plan of liberation!

There is more.. A LOT MORE!! You can read more about their manifesto here:

"A Liberal HS Teachers Views on MEChA"

[Free the USA]

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[Twodees]

Did waves of Mexicans vote Three-dollar Bill into office twice or provide the majority of the votes for the plague of democRATS which overwhelms us?

In fact they did. Clinton won both of his elections due to vote fraud. Democrats keep getting elected because of vote fraud. Why do you think the democrats are so vehemently opposed to requirements of proof of identity at the polls? They routinely get out the illegal vote, which is how Clinton, and later Gore, carried California.

I fear no immigrant group even 1/10th as much as the RATS.

Never mind "fearing" them, you should be aware that they are the voters the democrats are using to win elections they would have no chance of winning otherwise. They're also the population which will be used to swell the next census and justify the redistricting of the entire US and the addition of more representatives for newly created districts of non-english speaking illegals.

You're so scared of being called a xenophobe by the democrats that you'd willingly let them use illegals to win elections. Worse than that, you want to stand with the democrats and point fingers at conservatives who can see what you're too foolish to even look for.

Your attitude is what makes the GOP the stupid party. Justshutupandtake off the blinders.

[Brownie74]

Thanks for the ping. Great article. The part about bribery and corruption being a part of life in Mexico is very true. And this is the lifestyle that they are bringing to America.

Briefly stated, the legalization of this illegal alien population amounts to American cultural suicide (because it is done intentionally, rather than by accident) and a political disaster.

How many people have said exactly the same thing on this forum?

[Reaganwuzthebest]

How do politicians expect American citizens to obey laws when they say to illegals do whatever you want, we'll reward you with amnesties and other goodies?

There's a very simple answer to the whole problem of illegal immigration, a no-brainer, a third grader could figure it out- enforce the law.

[cowgirlcutie]

This is a VERY good read! As I've said before, I'm half Mexican. However, I was taught that I am 101% American and proud of it! The majority of Latin Americans coming here now, have NO desire to assimilate. They only wish to tear down our society. They take terrible advantage of our government system, so that people who really need help, have a h*ll of a time getting it. "Mr." Fox is sending his unwanted citizens up this way, so that we can take care of them and he doesn't have to. My husband and I were behind two young Spanish-only speaking people at the grocery store this morning. They had one toddler and one on the way. The wife had nice clothes on and lots of jewelry and they paid for their groceries with food stamps and then got into their new car out in the parking lot! It sickens me when I think of all the hard working people here, trying to make ends meet, who are having to support people who have no concept of obeying the law and most of all, don't want to.

[F16Fighter]

"The next two people confirmed to the Supreme Court will determine whether our great experiment succeeds or fails."

Poignant observation...

Hopefully Dubya has been saving his trump card for such a critical affectation and nominate and insist on strong conservative adherents to the SC. The ruinous Bader-Ginsberg/Breyer/Souter (thanks Daddy) triad of liberalism must be neutralized in the coming years, or else...

[jpl]

Leftists are not killing their own culture, they're trying to kill ours.

I believe that many leftists are indeed suicidal depressives, but instead of having the decency to just kill themselves, they try to drag us normal people down to their miserable level.

[FryingPan101]

Man. Does it cause you to think about everything you always thought anyway? Thanks for the ping, my FreedomFriend. I need to show this to a lot of other folks. I only wonder if knowledge can change anything or if it only lets you see what happened.

[SR71A]

One of the best articles I have read on the subject of illegals. Too bad it won't gain wide circulation, since it deals with one of the great cultural taboos of our time...the illegal alien population explosion.

One earlier poster asked if there are conservative lawyers who might be enlisted to aid in the fight against the illegals. I hope that there are, too; but they will be outnumbered by the (sleazy, lowlife, scummy) immigration lawyers...let's not forget them. An amnesty will be a bonanza for them. They'll charge 2 or 3 thousand for each poor schmuck that wants to apply, for 15 minutes of filling out a form. Quick and easy loot, and it makes the tobacco settlements look petty by comparison.

If the above offends some lawyer that may stumble across this thread, GOOD!

[x]

It's interesting how today's conservatives make so much of the Enlightenment with respect to the Middle East and now Mexico. Russell Kirk, M.E. Bradford and other conservative lights were very critical of the Enlightenment as the parent of revolution. Maybe the distinction between the moderate, empirical British Enlightenment and the radical, rationalist French Enlightenment makes the difference. But the world looks very different now than it did in previous decades when the socialist or communist longing for total revolution was such a powerful force on the political scene.

Rockwell does link to articles from a variety of sources, but so many of the articles read like they've come out of a cookie cutter: Mises, Hoppe, secession, state-bashing, flirtation with anarcho-capitalism. I don't know if Rockwell deserves an "ism" of his own, but "Rockwellism" is pretty good shorthand for a very eccentric mix of ideas that seems to come out of Mises Center seminars and symposia.

[x]

Mexico hasn't been a Catholic country since the revolution. It's a socialist state in which most of the peons are still Catholic but who have no voice in the government. That you have to ask what went wrong there shows you need to refrain from lecturing others on history.

Au contraire, Deedee. If it was that easy to eradicate an older cultural heritage, that fact is very significant in itself and has great importance for ourselves and our future. Never be ashamed to ask for information or clarification. It's a good way to learn things.

[FreedomFriend]

I can't say for sure whether it is too late. In honesty, I don't think that it would be too late if we had honorable politicians who put the country's interests first. However, as it now stands, there are very few of them.

I do think that the timeframe for turning around the pending madness is very short, perhaps five to ten years. However, given the enormous influx of illegal immigration, I'd say that this issue has to be dealt with in a strong manner within the next few years, or the United States is likely to drift into a third world state in much of the country. Time is of essence for the southwest. Many of our major cities are seeing the same effects that are plaguing the southwestern region. Atlanta, Washington DC, Chicago and Denver are now seeing the same effects that Houston, Dallas, Los Angeles, San Diego and Phoenix have been seeing for the last fifteen to twenty years.

Again, time is of the essence. Will the Republic be restored and illegal immigration, as well as the immigration system, curtailed? Your guess is as good as mine. However, given the current state of affairs, and the apparent impotence of the U.S. Legislature, things don't look positive.

[FreedomFriend]

Yes, I suppose that you're correct, for the most part. It is Leftists who have foisted this damaging demographic/ideologic component onto America. It is they who are attempting to murder the culture. After all, it was Ted Kennedy who helped bring about the 1965 Immigration Act which changed America's immigration patterns from one that was distinctly European to one that was third world. Furthermore, it was Bill Clinton who signed a bill to increase the number of legal immigrants allowed per year. Then you have the Leftist within Congress who do not want to solve the illegal immigration debacle. Of course, there are the Left Wing attorneys who are representing the illegal alien and the left wing judges who claim that they have the same rights as American citizens. Thus, in this regard, you are correct.

However, some responsibility does lie on the American population at large. The citizenry has become so lazy, so unpolitical, so apathetic that as long as they have their football, television, and unlimited internet access (Minus Conservative sites, of course), and if the problem isn't directly effecting them, they don't seem to give it a thought.

Have you ever wondered why there are very few midwesterners posting on the immigration threads? It is because, by and large, the problem in their region (minus Chicago and a few other cities) hasn't become as large as it has in other regions of the country. They, for the most part, still see an America of the old days. In my opinion, the Heartland is very out of tune to this issue. Yet, the Heartland's support is pivotal in dealing with this problem. We know that the northeastern liberals are too busy talking about diversity to want to do anything about it. I'm talking about politicians and most of their citizens.

As it now stands, this issue needs to command more broad scale support, more than what it is currently receiving from southwestern citizens, as well as a sizeable number of citizens from the south and northeast.

[bok]

English is being displaced by not just Mexicans but those who don't wish to speak english. The EO 13166 is law and applies to hundreds of languages. However SPANISH is the predominant language taking hold in the united states.

[FreedomFriend]

Fitz, I agree. However, I've thought about this issue many times, analyzing the trends I see, as well as the overall traits of the demographic catastrophe.

I used to say that as long as people came here and wanted to assimilate, that it didn't matter where they came from. However, as I'm seeing more and more, I'm doubtful whether those from the non-western world will ever fully assimilate into the mainstream. Studies are showing that most aren't, with the exception of some of the Asian communities.

I've come to the conclusion that for any of these groups to fully assimilate, it could take up to one hundred years, perhaps more. Thus, with the rate and number of third world immigrants arriving, or crashing our border every year, the likelyhood that we'll assimilate them into the mainstream is very unlikely, especially given the era of social identity politics, interest groups and hyphenated Americans.

I've also thought that many people aren't taking into account the human condition of people wanting to live around individuals who look, think, and act like them. All one has to do is drive around different areas of a major city to see the way different races and ethnic groups congregate amongst themselves. This is due to comfort, and I'm doubtful whether it will ever be different. I think that political correctness has led many to forget about these common, everyday behavior patterns. Sure, different groups have to associate with one another at work and at different places, but I do not see the same level of togetherness that I see among certain group members.

I've also often though that a main reason why third world immigrants don't want to assimilate is that they do not view the United States as their country, but rather see it as a European outpost, a beacon of western heritage and culture, something that is foreign and alien to them. Many of them also don't want to give up their culture, but instead want to hold onto their traditions and customs. I will agree that many of their children assimilate somewhat into society. However, its not like you'd see from an individual whose roots go back at least seventy five to one hundred years.

As much as people may disagree, I have to include the racial component. Race is and has been a part of life, and different races have viewed things differently. There are many within all races that view things in a racial perspective, and it is not any small margin. This goes for blacks, whites, Asians, "Hispanics", etc. This is one of the reasons, along with the dominant, easily seen evidence, that I think that if immigration is to occur, it has to be contained to the traditional, largest group, Europeans. Otherwise, given the socialist marxist ideals and basic human behavior, we'll most likely balkanize.