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Posted on 08/01/2002 5:16:08 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
Edited on 05/07/2004 8:00:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
As we endeavor toward a more lucid and informed discussion of substance abuse, let's deconstruct the mystique of marijuana and recognize it for the dangerous drug that it is.
Marijuana is a substance that's worthy of our concern. It is the most prevalent of all illicit drugs used in the country. The 2000 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reported that 34 percent of Americans have used marijuana in their lifetime and 5 percent are current users.
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which 9 out of 10 posters on this thread will ever see the problem from the others point of view.
Rational discussion is so much easier to follow along. When a person injects irrationality it clouds the issue being discussed. I suspect that the rational thinker would have better ability or skill at seeing the other person's point of view. However, when the other person's point of view is based on irrational and illogic it makes it much more difficult to see the issue from the other person's point of view because by the "nature" of irrationality nothing has to follow logically -- thus the persons point of view can be all over the "map" without a compass.
Since I am the only rational one here, Just listen to what I say and you will be fine.......
I assume you're making light joke of it. I got it. The issue is that when a person has a problem they must first identify that they have a problem in order to correct it.
I know you didn't direct your question to me, but I'm throwing in my 2 cents because I have given this alot of thought.
We are to avoid drunkeness, which to me means abusive behavior.. not wine at dinner, a cocktail afterward or an after dinner smoke. God does tell us to obey man's law when it does not go directly against His law.
That's the best I could come up with.
At lest Fred25 used to post those "Communist" pictures. I miss those. He was such a hoot!
Actually, that was Paul, who's teachings were not quite what Christ taught - but that's a totally different debate.
Me too. And don't forget those Marihuana is the Devil's Weed pix....
That's really quite silly. Pot smokers know how much they are smoking. First, pot smokers are derided as being dope obsessed pot smokers who grow weed and send the pictures to High Times. Now, we here that they really don't know how heavy of a hit they git. That's just silly.
The drug warriors try to pretend that we don't exist...
What does it matter what the concentration per dose is when determining whether or not a chemical substance is addictive? The chemical itself is the same. It's like saying that beer is not addictive but rum is. The reality is that both have alcohol, and alcohol is either addictive or it is not. The concentration per does is irrelevent.
Well, we are here and we do vote and they are just going to have to deal with it!!
I simply cannot believe that any self respecting Conservative can sit idly by while companies pass out Dixie cups for random drug testing. Where I work you are simply fired if you test 'dirty'. That's it..bottom line you are fired (unless you are married to or 'doing' someone of imporance)... they don't even send folks off with a list of AA/NA meetings. This attitude offends me on two levels.. as a Conservative AND as a compassionate human being.
Course, we've seen the compassion of WODers.
Just seems to me there has GOT to be a better way to deal with these issues.
Think about what I've been saying under a justice system operated by rational judges, lawyers and prosecutors. I know it's a stretch to the moon -- especially since judges have been routinely violating the constitution for more than a hundred years -- who would ever accept the case wherein the supposed victim is asking for an impartial jury trial to decide in his favor that he has been harmed by a person minding their own business. No rational person would take on any aspect of the case because the supposed victim is not a victim. He merely proclaims himself to be a victim. The fact probably is that no person would ever try to file such a claim.
The way it is now, it's always the State vs Defendant. Thus there are millions of cases brought before the courts. If it was the Victim vs Defendant there would be less than a thousand cases brought before the courts.
This means that some 86% of former users have successfully stopped using. Seems that marijuana is not nearly as addicitive as the drug warriors (and the American Psychiatric Association) would have you believe.
The child was let in the car in the heat and was save just in time from dying of the heat.
The parents were arrested in the coffee-shop in which the car was parked in front...
What is your point here? Many babies have been locked in cars by negligant parents, many not even on any illicit substance. Does this make it a better case to ban liquor if a parent leaves their kid in a hot car when they are in the bar?
What I am trying to tell to people is that statistics show that Germany and Belgium are doing much better in the drugs-statistics, less youths addicted, less addictions, less people who progress from soft-drugs to hard drugs.
Interestingly enough, pot is decriminalized in both countries (at least in most of Germany, although not as much in the southern districts).
If numbers prove that Germany is doing better, why Libertians aren't lobbying for German drugs-laws when they say they are doing it for the good of everyone?
I'd love to have German drug laws here. They'd still be a marketable improvement over what we have here.
Oh, I forgot, they don't give a d@mn about anything, just as long as they can either sell or use the stuff.
Hmmm.....is all you give a damn about is putting people in jail?
If they want to get high so bad, why do they have to wreck a country like they did it here in the Neterlands?
Who is they? Your govt. passed these laws. Here's a novel idea, one the drug warriors tell us. You don't like the laws, change them. I wish the US was as wrecked as Holland. If you think Amsterdam is bad, come over here to Oakland, Detroit, Compton, Atlantic City, Cleveland, south Chicago, Gary and see just how nice your city really is.
Let them take off to Pakistan or Afghainstan, where weed grows roadside and heroine costs a buck a shot.
Oh yeah, where they shoot you if you're caught with anything.
I am glad the Christian Conservatives are in charge here now, Balkenende is a drug-warrior. Maybe he can get a grip on the orginized crime that plagues my country that was able to get a grip thanks to the liberals/socialists.
Good luck. His proposals sound pretty modest so far. Getting rid of the border coffee houses.
Instead of lessening crime, the Netherlands are now a leading country in the production and sale of hard-drugs and the relating crimes as murder in the drugs-scene.
Could it be because you are a major port in Europe? Nah, that couldn't be it....I mean, Switzerland has fairly liberal drug laws, yet for some reason they don't suffer the same fate as you. It couldn't be because they are a land locked mountainous country.......
Execept for the one on the top of his head ....
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