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To: knighthawk
Did I also mention yet a four month old baby was rescued from a car in Amsterdam?

The child was let in the car in the heat and was save just in time from dying of the heat.

The parents were arrested in the coffee-shop in which the car was parked in front...

What is your point here? Many babies have been locked in cars by negligant parents, many not even on any illicit substance. Does this make it a better case to ban liquor if a parent leaves their kid in a hot car when they are in the bar?

What I am trying to tell to people is that statistics show that Germany and Belgium are doing much better in the drugs-statistics, less youths addicted, less addictions, less people who progress from soft-drugs to hard drugs.

Interestingly enough, pot is decriminalized in both countries (at least in most of Germany, although not as much in the southern districts).

If numbers prove that Germany is doing better, why Libertians aren't lobbying for German drugs-laws when they say they are doing it for the good of everyone?

I'd love to have German drug laws here. They'd still be a marketable improvement over what we have here.

Oh, I forgot, they don't give a d@mn about anything, just as long as they can either sell or use the stuff.

Hmmm.....is all you give a damn about is putting people in jail?

If they want to get high so bad, why do they have to wreck a country like they did it here in the Neterlands?

Who is they? Your govt. passed these laws. Here's a novel idea, one the drug warriors tell us. You don't like the laws, change them. I wish the US was as wrecked as Holland. If you think Amsterdam is bad, come over here to Oakland, Detroit, Compton, Atlantic City, Cleveland, south Chicago, Gary and see just how nice your city really is.

Let them take off to Pakistan or Afghainstan, where weed grows roadside and heroine costs a buck a shot.

Oh yeah, where they shoot you if you're caught with anything.

I am glad the Christian Conservatives are in charge here now, Balkenende is a drug-warrior. Maybe he can get a grip on the orginized crime that plagues my country that was able to get a grip thanks to the liberals/socialists.

Good luck. His proposals sound pretty modest so far. Getting rid of the border coffee houses.

Instead of lessening crime, the Netherlands are now a leading country in the production and sale of hard-drugs and the relating crimes as murder in the drugs-scene.

Could it be because you are a major port in Europe? Nah, that couldn't be it....I mean, Switzerland has fairly liberal drug laws, yet for some reason they don't suffer the same fate as you. It couldn't be because they are a land locked mountainous country.......

279 posted on 08/01/2002 9:49:13 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: Nate505
Interestingly enough, pot is decriminalized in both countries (at least in most of Germany, although not as much in the southern districts).

Betäubungsmittelgesetz, paragrafen 3, artikel 1:

In Germany it is forbidden to deal, import, export deliver and buy drugs, punishable by a sentence of a maximum of 4 years.

The thing you are adressing is that in most the districts -mostly southern districts- there is made no distinction between hard and soft drugs.

In Germany usage of drugs is not illegal, but possession is. You will be arrested when possessing more than 10 grams in most districts. After conviction one may choose between jail and a program to get off drugs.

Drug possession has got a low priority in law enforcement. Recently Germany officialy protested the soft stance on drugs in the Netherlands.

Hey, why don't you people come over here and enjoy the nice laws here. But don't go to Rotterdam, because there is a chance you might get kicked out, because there citizens took matters in their own hands and kicked out all the junks they could find.

Amsterdam may be nice. But don't go to 'de Bijlmer' at night. You will be mugged or shot just as quickly as in the worst parts of NY, while there only live less than a million people. How come Dutch cities, which are much smaller than US cities, are just as dangerous?

Ask the people in Rotterdam, where half the people feel so unsafe to go on the streets at evenings.

Gee, it sounds like we in the Netherlands are doings something wrong, as there are four times a much murders in Amsterdam per 1000 citizens than in Rome.

333 posted on 08/01/2002 10:45:40 AM PDT by knighthawk
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