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To: dirtboy
"The drug warriors try to pretend that we don't exist..."

Well, we are here and we do vote and they are just going to have to deal with it!!

I simply cannot believe that any self respecting Conservative can sit idly by while companies pass out Dixie cups for random drug testing. Where I work you are simply fired if you test 'dirty'. That's it..bottom line you are fired (unless you are married to or 'doing' someone of imporance)... they don't even send folks off with a list of AA/NA meetings. This attitude offends me on two levels.. as a Conservative AND as a compassionate human being.

Course, we've seen the compassion of WODers.

275 posted on 08/01/2002 9:33:55 AM PDT by sweet_diane
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To: sweet_diane

I simply cannot believe that any self respecting Conservative can sit idly by while companies pass out Dixie cups for random drug testing.

It's a mater of free association. A contract between an employer and an employee. If one or both don't like the contract they are free to refuse and seek another employer or employee. I hope you haven't implied that the government should force the employer to hire a person or force the employer to refuse to hire a person. next thing you know the government will be forcing people into prison because they used drugs. Oh that's right, the government already does that.

Discrimination laws are political agenda laws.

Main Street's brick and mortar businesses are private property  For if they were public the police wouldn't need a search warrant. Police need warrants only for private property. If a private property owner decides he wants to invite strangers in from the street he can do that and the guest must follow the property owner's rules.

What's wrong with this picture?

Read the Fourth Amendment. Sheesh, we can't even trust our "employees" -- government officials -- to let them into our homes and businesses without a search warrant if we don't want to let them in. But somehow a business is forced to trust a total stranger with an open door policy. A person/business owner can refuse to allow a government agent -- his servant -- access to his property but not a total stranger! And get this, it is the government -- the servant -- that can't be trusted that is telling property owners -- the master -- that they must trust total strangers.

Discrimination laws must be repealed. And hold accountable the members of congress that created discrimination laws at the cost of violating property owners private property rights.

282 posted on 08/01/2002 9:55:01 AM PDT by Zon
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To: sweet_diane
Well, we are here and we do vote and they are just going to have to deal with it!!

And how do you and I vote? GOP. The authoritarians in the national GOP realize they can just take our votes for granted, no matter how much we rail against the federal drug war. And there is just too much of a federal infrastructure now that has a vested interest in maintaining, if not expanding, the status quo. What I see happening is the states, through voter referenda, will continue to pass their own initiatives that make a lot more sense, and the feds will rant and rave and bitch and call the voters in the states all kinds of nasty names ... but will have little ability to counter the trend. And that is the ultimate irony. The 10th Amendment, the cornerstone of the Republic IMO, may still be saved by unfettered democracy, by the voters of the states reclaiming powers that rightly belong to the states but have been usurped by the feds...

303 posted on 08/01/2002 10:22:29 AM PDT by dirtboy
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