Posted on 07/27/2002 8:30:11 AM PDT by JohnFiorentino
Retired airline Pilot Capt. Ray Lahr has brought suit against the NTSB for release of the data pertaining to the alleged "zoom-climb" by TWA800. NTSB has stated that this event was what the hundreds of witnesses observed prior to the TWA800 explosion.
You can view the amended complaint in it's entirety here:
http://www.twa800.com/lahr/lahr-amended.htm
You're kidding, right? Since when have you EVER posted a reference link to anything other than your own website?
Asmodeus. This is LOGIC 101.
The original suit was dismissed without prejudice. IT NO LONGER EXISTS. In the eyes of the court, it never happened. The Freedom of Information Act request that triggered the suit was flawed in that it did not specify certain things that have now been learned.
A NEW Freedom of Information Request (not an amendment of a previous request) demanding the release of named and described documents has been sent to the NTSB. This new request is NOT the same request as the first... and it will have its own initiation date with its own statute of limitations for follow-up.
In any case, because the case was dismissed without prejudice, an amended suit could be brought on the VERY SAME, ORIGINAL request if Lahr chooses. He has instead apparently decided to forego that option and file a new request based on information developed during the original request and suit.
That the public should not know of the threat from hostile missiles, nor have other reasons to clamor for maintaining our military defense, was his top priority --- his deception to enable "the left's" advancing a "politically correct cultural revolution" throughout the military-industrial complex --- to erode our defense stamina.
At least one of his assumptions, was that the leftists' theory of peaceful co-existence would pre-empt any hostile attack upon "the lower 48."
He accompanied that with the artful re-construction of any incident; his productions that, there is nothing to fear for which we would need a military ... while he protested the many other things which he attempted to lead the people into fearing, in order to garnish support for ever-more central power over the people.
Clinton was nothing more than a continuation of the 1960s' student movement to take over the White House and experiment with theoretical group-nationalizing socialization as the wonder-drug with which to salve all wounds.
Where otherwise, to be resolved in the common defense, to be so determined to not bargain for liberty --- the stamina for maintaining freedom is not in Clintonism's extremist, fascist, so-called "liberal" [mind-]set of cards.
To wit: The "Center Wing Tank" killed Vince Foster ... because it could happen in Camelot, the mythological, leftist Utopia that is home to all kinds of "experts" with "expertise" on how to re-construct, re-interpret, re-define yet "not recall" the truth.
Because the truth, is, and in stark contrast to the "reality" for which the leftists are always marching.
So there was nothing to fear, militarily, in regard to our common defense --- by Order of the "President" to "make it go away."
Into this, his "defense" policy, flew both a hostile missile and TWA 800.
JF#872: "The dismissal of Lahr's lawsuit was based on a technicality, and has NOTHING to do with the merits of the claim. I work with this type of thing all day long, it's basically meaningless."
JF#899: "It's quite apparent to me what Lahr is seeking, and it's also quite apparent NTSB would most likely find it very embarrassing to release, or POSSIBLY even produce."
JF#906: "It's quite apparent to me what Lahr is seeking, and it's also quite apparent NTSB would most likely find it very embarrassing to release, or POSSIBLY even produce."
JF#908: "As someone who is involved with legal issues on a daily basis, I can say, that most of the debate here is simply a waste of time. The point of the whole thing, and the basis of this thread, which I started, is to report on the progress or lack thereof of Capt' Lahr's attempts to pry from the NTSB that which they seem intent on keeping to themselves. Personally, and this is just an opinion, I doubt there is any data in fact, upon which NTSB or CIA calculated their respective cartoons. What will they say if ordered to produce this supposed data? Sorry, we made it all up?"
JF#938: "most lawyers routinely rely on paralegals, and paralegal investigators to research all aspects of the law, and in many cases all relevant aspects of the case in toto. The overwhelming majority of investigatory and fact finding work performed prior to trial is performed by paralegals. This information is then assembled, reviewed and discussed with the attorney. Many paralegals possess either education or experience in other fields, which make them invaluable in the legal investigatory process. Lawyers are mainly concerned with the INTERPRETATION of LAWS."
Ray Lahr wants the Flight 800 investigation re-opened.
You say you also want the Flight 800 investigation re-opened.
It is self evident from events that Ray Lahr needed the assistance of an expert in preparing and presenting his original FOIA request to the NTSB and, of course, in his efforts to act as his own attorney. Did you offer to assist him?
Ray Lahr has now had to start over and has hired a lawyer. You can offer your assistance as a paralegal experienced in such matters to Ray Lahr's lawyer - without charge.
Actions speak louder than words.
The only part of the Navy Missile Theory that sticks in my craw is that many people would have had to know the truth, or if not the truth, then that the official version was a lie. It is improbably that - I'm guessing the number - one hundred of these would remain silent. But then intimidation of family members is a powerful deterrent.
Have we had a rash of unexplained deaths of former crewmembers of [can't remember the name of the ship]?
No, I lean more toward the Iranian Submarine theory.
Your compliment - and your criticism - should be directed to Bob Donaldson.
"And your point is?"
You apparently failed to notice the first sentence: "This is a continuation of #946."
#946 stated: "Most of the public walked away years ago after too many unfulfilled promises of "shocking new facts about Flight 800" from the conspiracy theorists."
The Donaldson brothers' Press Release in #970 was just one of the examples. But then you already knew that and responded only to disrupt and harass as usual, didn't you.
Asmodeus,
Exactly what was disruptive and harassing about my post? I asked a question.
That "as usual" in that sentence of yours is an interesting slur... I believe you will find that NONE of my posts have been intended to "harass" or to "disrupt." On the other hand, I think most people here will recognize those descriptions as fitting YOUR posts.
I do not see any relevance to posting the announcement seminar at an surveilance exposition that occured THREE YEARS AGO with the current situation. You posted this announcement with no commentary, no reason other than somehow you feel it is somehow related to a minor assertion by you in post #946 of public disinterest.
From all I can see the announcement is neither exemplar nor indicative of public disinterest. It is merely a 1999 announcement of an upcoming event that did take place and did do what was announced. It is a press release DESIGNED to get attention from a JADED and BIASED press.
The PUBLIC has never had a chance to truly learn of these "promises" of new facts because the media REFUSES TO EVEN LOOK! They have swallowed the party line and published NTSB press releases as if they were actually investigating and reporting. Instead the press showed itself to be lazy and BIASED.
The "free" press is no longer the watchdog our democracy needs. People like Commander Donaldson, Ray Lahr, JohnFiorentino, Mach.08, and me, posting on the internet, are attempting to fill the vacuum left by the failure of the press in its duty to investigate, question, challenge, demand answers AND, finally, hold the government's feet to the fire when they find them being less than candid.
The press is no longer the mastiff it once was... it is now more like a stuffed chihuahua... with people like you doing the stuffing.
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