Posted on 07/27/2002 8:30:11 AM PDT by JohnFiorentino
Retired airline Pilot Capt. Ray Lahr has brought suit against the NTSB for release of the data pertaining to the alleged "zoom-climb" by TWA800. NTSB has stated that this event was what the hundreds of witnesses observed prior to the TWA800 explosion.
You can view the amended complaint in it's entirety here:
http://www.twa800.com/lahr/lahr-amended.htm
I've provided the readers with this clickable link to it many times since then.
Stripped of the voluminous huffnpuff, you appear to be contending the following in your #718:
8:30:10 - Meyer sees "meteor like" streak flash accross his field of view.
8:31:13 - Meyer sees bright white Ordnance type explosion at 13,840 feet
8:31:39 - Meyer sees Massive Fireball explode at 7000 feet
In summary, you appear to be contending that there was approximately 63 seconds elapsed time between Meyer's first observation of the streak and his observation of bright white light ordnance type explosion at approximately 13,800 feet and an additional 26 seconds elapsed time between Meyer's observation of the bright white light ordnance type explosion and his observation of the Massive Fireball explosion at approximately 7000 feet.
Add the elapsed time estimate of 10 seconds falltime of the Massive Fireball flames to the surface agreed upon by Meyer and his crewmates at the time, and the total elapsed time of Meyer's observations of fiery events in the sky would have to be 63+26+10=99 seconds approximately.
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Do you?
Some law office secretaries do it all the time too.
Are the lawyers supposed to charge clients the same hourly rate for the hired help services that they charge for their own time?
Lots of lawyers do.
Are you an amateur paralegal or an expert paralegal?
Most of the public walked away years ago after too many unfulfilled promises of "shocking new facts about Flight 800" from the conspiracy theorists.
Most of the conspiracy theorists themselves have lost interest as evidenced by the handful posting here, in the Yahoo Flight 800 Forum and the Donaldson TWA800 forum (which had only two postings during the entire month of August 2002).
No, most of the public were misinformed and were not told but a fraction of what can be determined from news reports available on the Internet. The major news media were complicit in the coverup, and did not pursue any leads that would have helped to unravel the true story.
Do facts and logical analysis constitutate what you refer to as "huffnpuff"?
8:30:10 - Meyer sees "meteor like" streak flash accross his field of view.
Asmodeus, for once you have a point. That should be ~8:31:10, and I have said as much in previous posts. I did forget to ask Swordmaker to make the change to the timeline however...
There is also the matter of the INITIAL fireball, which occured at about 8:31:15.
More info on that and other timeline considerations can be viewed in post #743.
You aren't very observant. Try this one again.
Asmodeus... if you read the entire reply #718 you will see that the total for the timeline is mentioned... and it does not represent 99 seconds.
The timeline was presented in chronological order and if you will notice the FIRST entry is:
20:31:00 - Plane flying normally, altitude 13,400 ft., climbing at 33 ft/sec.
Which is then followed by three entries in which I made a TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR: I typed the minutes as being "30:" instead of "31:". To save time and typing I was pasting in the time and editing it. It s MY error and I am totally responsible for it. In all honesty, I thought I had corrected those times before posting. Obviously I did not. However, had you read and understood the entire post, you would have known this and NOT taken the error out of context to make it a point of contention.
21:30:04 - Possible ground-to-air missile launch. Rate of climb accelerates to Mach 2.1.
21:30:07 - Mike Wire notices flare like object rising over house and arcing to left. in the next 8 seconds many more people notice streak, firework, etc.
21:30:10 - Major Fred Meyer sees "meteor like" object flash acorss his field of view.
20:31:12 - ~13,800 ft. - 0 sec. Last transponder return, everything normal, Aircraft climbing at 33 ft./second.
It is obvious from the context, the totals at the end of the posting that the times were inclusive and totalled approximately 56 seconds. Had I meant 99 seconds, I would have said it.
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Let's see if we can construct Asmodeus' oft demanded timeline that our math seems to indicate occurred rather than his wacked out theory.
20:31:00 - Plane flying normally, altitude 13,400 ft., climbing at 33 ft/sec.
21:31:04 - Possible ground-to-air missile launch. Rate of climb accelerates to Mach 2.1.
21:31:07 - Mike Wire notices flare like object rising over house and arcing to left. in the next 8 seconds many more people notice streak, firework, etc.
21:31:10 - Major Fred Meyer sees "meteor like" object flash acorss his field of view.
20:31:12 - ~13,800 ft. - 0 sec. Last transponder return, everything normal, Aircraft climbing at 33 ft./second.
20:31:13 - ~13,840 ft. ~1 sec. Missile strikes TWA800 on left side at approximately seat row 16-17 transects the passenger cabin spewing partially burned solid rocket fuel (and leaving a red residue on seats in this area), taking out passengers and seats in rows 17-18 and exits aircraft through right side. VDR ends in loud, strange sound. Bright white Ordnance type explosion occurs just after missile exits thin walled cabin. Blast places massive overpressure on nose of aircraft and opens wide gap in side of aircraft. Parts of missile continue on momentum at speed approaching MACH 2 at a vector 190 degrees from north, ejecta from aircraft including seats, passengers, luggage to eventually land in "crosswind blast debris" field. The blast imparts a slightly more eastward vector for the ejecta which combined with the ejecta's already present eastward momentum results in the ejecta coming to rest about 175 degrees from the point of ejection.
20:31:14 - ~13,880 ft. ~2 sec. 400+ MPH winds acting on the gaping holes in aircraft fuselage causes the "unzip" of the aluminum skin of the nose. Windforce bends the nose up and breaks the "keel" of the fuselage. Signals to control surfaces and engines cease when wires are broken and engines revert to idle. Drag is no longer being counteracted by the thrust of the engines. The plane slows drastically.
20:31:15 - ~13, 900 ft - ~3 sec. Drag pulls the nose up and away from the rest of the fuselage and breaks loose on the right first and falls away to the left where it is still partially attached, twisting the aircraft toward the left and starts to fall pulling the left wing down, changing the vector of lift imparting a strong leftward force on the aircraft. Unbalanced drag toward the left is enormous. This accounts for the sudden leftward change in aircraft vector.
20:31:16:49 - ~13,890 ft - 4.49 sec. First post IE radar return. - The nose swings under and to the right and breaks completely loose and continues on a momentum driven ballistic fall slightly to the right (about 3 degrees) of the original aircraft vector. The noseless aircraft losing both the balance necessary for proper flight AND the thrust of the engines overcoming drag, pitches rapidly up and stalls. it may climb a very small amount during the pitch up before stall.
20:31:17 - ~13,860 ft. - ~5 sec. Gravity's inexorable pull starts the plane on its final trajectory. Drag is slowing the forward velocity and the uncontrolled aircraft is on either a ballistic fall or a somewhat aerodynamic fall.
20:31:21:13 - ~13,500 ft. - 9.13 sec. Second post IE radar return. - Uncontrolled plane pitches and yaws, lift occasionally pulls the plane in different vectors... this time a strong rightward vector. Drag continues to rip and rend the airframe just in front of the wing.
20:31:25:72 - ~12,300 ft. - 13.72 sec. Third post IE radar return. - More gyrations... now vectored back to the right.
20:31:30:37 - ~10,900 ft. - 18.37 sec. Fourth post IE radar return. - Falling steeply now. Much of the forward momentum is gone due to drag. Structural damage is weakening the Center Wing Tank's integrity and wings are no longer as strongly attached to the remaining fuselage.
20:31:32:?? - ~10,050 ft. - ~20 sec. Terminal velocity achieved of ~450 ft./second.
20:31:34:97 - ~9,100 ft. - 22.97 sec. Fifth post IE radar return. Stress is taking its toll on the wingroots. The Center Wing Tank structural members are buckling under the whipping of the plane rolling and pitching. Fuel is now leaking into the area around the Wing roots from the full wing tanks.
20:31:36:?? - ~8,500 ft. - ~24 sec. The aircraft takes a VERY sharp turn to the right (South) and one of the wing's fails, breaking away from the fuselage. The aircraft with only one wing starts to spin rapidly, spewing jet fuel and agitating it into the atmosphere, mixing it with air.
20:31:39:64 - ~7,000 ft. - 27.64 sec. Sixth post IE radar return. - Center Wint Tank explodes from spark caused by MECHANICAL breaking of metal. Volatile air-fuel mix surrounding aircraft ignited into Massive Fireball, Hot fireball begins to RISE, while burning plane falls through bottom of Fireball still spewing liquid fuel which ignites on exit from wingtanks.
8:31:43 - Elmer's "Streak of light" crippled plane appears.
20:31:44:29 - ~4,900 ft. - 32.29 sec. Seventh post IE radar return. - Still falling at 450 ft. per second.
20:31:47 - ~3,680 ft - End of streak - Elmer Asmodeus's mythical "Eyewitness Myth" Explosion of Massive Fireball at 5500-7500 feet.
20:31:48:94 - ~2,800 ft. - 36.94 sec Eighth post IE radar return. - Shortly after the Flight TWA800 falls below the radar horizon and no further radar returns are received.
20:31:55 - ~43 splashdown.
Total Elapsed time from Initiating Event (the missile strike) = ~43 seconds. Plus or minus 2 seconds.
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