Posted on 07/27/2002 8:30:11 AM PDT by JohnFiorentino
Retired airline Pilot Capt. Ray Lahr has brought suit against the NTSB for release of the data pertaining to the alleged "zoom-climb" by TWA800. NTSB has stated that this event was what the hundreds of witnesses observed prior to the TWA800 explosion.
You can view the amended complaint in it's entirety here:
http://www.twa800.com/lahr/lahr-amended.htm
If the smoke cloud center is at 7500 feet and the top of the smoke cloud is 7700 feet, the diameter of the cloud is 200 400 feet, not 2000.
You see, when I make a mistake, I admit it and correct it, unlike somebody else we know all too well...
Hot air does rise, doesn't it. So the actual explosion could very well have been closer to 7000 feet and the smoke may have risen 500 feet by the time they flew by it. The air at that altitude IS much colder than that at sea level, so the high temperature of the explosion WOULD have heated a large mass of air that WOULD have risen.
Good catch mach0.8..
The central key to understanding the sequence of events observed in the sky has always been the altitude of the Massive Fireball explosion. You have now publicly stated that it was 6500 feet. The CIA says it was about "1 mile above the surface". But neither you nor the CIA factored in it's huge size. The 5500-7500 altitude in The "Missile Witnesses" Myth does.
Now, all you have to do is produce the actual "missile witness" reports for the readers that you've supposedly been relying on to support the "shootdown" notion to continue your efforts to connect the dots compatibly.
I also set the bait for Acehai, the briefcase carrier for Sanders, by including the reference to that statement in Faret & Wendell's report that the top of the MF smoke cloud was at 7700 feet. Acehai has an interesting "theory" about that, one that in view of your earlier allegations you might consider a witness assassination effort.
THIS is the most significant part of that statement, Lurker. The LACK of a smoke trail above the smokecloud of the Massive Fireball shows that there was NO BURNING PLANE TRAILING SMOKE TO BE MISTAKEN FOR THE MISSILE.
Kerosene or JetA fuel will burn with a BLACK SMOKE if it is not properly mixed. Yet these witnesses did not see a plume, trail, or anything above the cloud.
Don't you know that a rocket ship has very small wings, if any? So don't be so quick to reject this 'zoom climb'. If the second wing had fallen off, you can bet it would have shot straight up in the air, and maybe into orbit. Think of all that momentum concentrated in the unburdened body of the aircraft.
Asmodeus is not; he just links back to his website of compiled twaddle and blithers about "expert witness report analysts" as though the witness testimony was the ONLY evidence at hand. Any "expert" witnes report ananlyst can only evaluate the incompetent FBI agent's 302 reports not the actual witnesses' statements. The 302s are notes written by third parties unfamiliar with aircraft accident investigations FROM RECOLLECTIONS of what witnesses were ALLOWED to say in response to the incompetents' incompetent questions and often leading questions.
Many of the witnesses, when shown the 302 reports of their interview have flatly denied they said what the FBI says they did. Of course you will not find an "expert witness report analyst" who will agree with anything in the 302s... because they are NOT WITNESS REPORTS! No one ever properly questioned any of the witnesses as far as I can see. Some attempts were made years after the events.
That is physically impossible. Read the rest of the thread to see why....
Note that the Massive Fireball explosion ENGULFED the first explosion. If that first explosion had taken place at or even in the immediate proximity of TWA 800 at 13,800 feet, the Massive Fireball explosion would have had to take place somewhere between approximately 11,800 feet and 13,800 feet if the huge MF was approximately 2000 feet in diameter
John, the debris was to the south east of the original flight path, strewn across three separate debris fields.
They are color coded as orange for the missile debris and resulting ejecta from the aircraft, red for the debris caused by the second missile, yellow for the nose section, and green for the main body, wings, and engines.
Again here's the radar graphic including the debris fields...
A larger and more detailed debris chart (sans the radar data) can be viewed by clicking on the link below...
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