Meet 'Women's Auxiliary of NAMBLA'

Celebrating erotic relationships between women and young girls is the theme of a website called Butterfly Kisses which indicates the relatively unknown fact that pedophilia exists in significant numbers among females.

While the site's creators do not identify themselves, posted articles show how some advocates are attempting to create an academic rationale for what is commonly and legally regarded as abuse and molestation.

"It's very dangerous when you begin to see women organize in the same way you have seen men organized to rape children," said noted researcher Judith Reisman, who referred to the people behind the website as the "Women's Auxiliary of NAMBLA," the North American Man-Boy Love Association.

While the site's opening page features an apparently wholesome photograph of a mother appreciating her child, "the primary goal" of presenting the subsequent material is clearly stated in the introduction as giving "women and girls a tool for expressing their feelings and their love about this controversial topic, and to get people to open their minds to ideas about romantic and erotic attraction between women and girls that our society in the past has not been able to discuss openly and rationally."

WorldNetDaily was alerted to the website by reader Sandra Hartle of Spanaway, Wash., a grandmother who is part of a group that has helped shut down about 1,000 pornographic sites on the Microsoft Network's website communities.

She has discovered private sites on MSN depicting elementary school-age boys with adult men, but found "Butterfly Kisses" a particular threat to families like her own.

"Some of the information on this site is so terrifying to someone who has three granddaughters that I cannot express my shock," said Hartle.

"How someone could harm a child that is so tender and vulnerable is beyond my wildest imaginations," she said, "but when a woman can and does violate that child sexually it is somehow more devastating than even when you hear of these things being done by men."

The "Butterfly Kisses" website indicates it is hosted by an entity called "Ipce," which describes itself as a "forum for people who are engaged in scholarly discussion about the understanding and emancipation of mutual relationships between children or adolescents and adults."

The Ipce description says, "In this context, these relationships are intended to be viewed from an unbiased, non-judgmental perspective and in relation to the human rights of both the young and adult partners."

The Butterfly Kisses and Ipce sites have Web addresses that indicate their origin in the Netherlands. A story in the Autumn 1987 issue of the Dutch-based Paidika: Journal of Paedophilia recalls "The Dutch Paedophile Emancipation Movement" which led to the world's most liberal laws on pedophilia.

Dutch law permits sex between an adult and a person as young as 12 if the younger person consents.

Can legal action be taken against a site like "Butterfly Kisses," which promotes an act barred by U.S. state laws?

A private agency called Web Police, which investigates complaints of abuse on the Internet, notes that U.S. laws do not apply to the global Internet.

"We would have an officer in the Netherlands address it according to the country's laws, morals and code of ethics," said Peter Hampton, the founder of Web Police and several related agencies. "We can't tell Holland what should or should not be on the Internet."

But not much would likely be done in the Netherlands either, Hampton told WorldNetDaily.

"Their problem is the same that the United States has," he said. "No. 1, there has to be a law enacted that addresses the Internet directly."

Then, said Hampton, you would need to find a police investigator, prosecutor, judge and jury who all have the experience to address an Internet-related case.

"The majority of the time you're not going to find any of those, and that's where you run into your stone wall," he said. "So then we have to go directly to the suspect and see if we can resolve it without the necessity of going through all that expense and trouble."

Hampton said he works regularly with the FBI, but "they've got their hands full" with thousands of complaints every day.

"We get 1,500 a day, so I can imagine what the FBI gets," he said. "They simply can't address all these issues and try to prosecute them. They don't have the manpower and they don't have the teeth in the laws. The president himself has said hands off the Internet, it's an international community."

Hampton says that he gets an average of more than 200 reports related to female pedophilia on the Internet each day, including websites, message boards and other forums.

It's growing, he says of the presence of female pedophilia on the Web, though sites related to male pedophilia are increasing at about 10 times the rate.

"But I was surprised that this was even an issue," he said of female pedophilia. "It's been since about two years ago that we've found it to be quite prevalent."

Linda Halliday-Sumner, a sexual abuse consultant in Courtenay, B.C., Canada, told WND that when she first began in 1980, about 1.5 percent of her cases were women who abuse minors. Within six years that increased to 11 to 13 percent. In the last 10 years, she said, at least 33 percent of her 325 cases a year have been women.

"It is very underreported," she said of the incidences of abuse by females. "When it is reported it's often dismissed or laughed at as not being serious. Motherhood and apple pie, you know – we don't do that sort of thing."

"I have been strongly attacked and criticized because I've spoken out about female offenders," she said.

The Journal of Paedophilia devoted an entire issue to the subject of women in 1992. In the introductory article, which is posted on "Butterfly Kisses," Marjan Sax and Sjuul Deckwitz write that while little is known about it, "As we dug more deeply into our subject we discovered that erotic and sexual contacts between women and children under the age of consent do indeed occur. In speaking with female friends, once the shock of embarking on a discussion of the concept of paedophilia wore off, countless stories came out."

Studies in the 1980s by researchers David Finkelhor and Diana Russell estimated that in the United States about 14 percent of abuse cases involving boys were perpetrated by females. About 6 percent of the cases were of women who abuse girls.

While these studies give some clues, the true number of women who have sexual contact with children is probably severely underestimated, according to German psychologist Marina Knopf. In an article on "Butterfly Kisses" titled "Sexual Contacts Between Women and Children: Reflections on an Unrealizable Research Project," Knopf said that this could be because contacts by women are more of a taboo than those by men.

She writes that it "is less spoken of, more hidden, and the women do not have any groups they attend or have formed themselves as do men. ... The strength of this taboo might help explain the enormous difficulty we had in finding women to interview."

Well-known pedophile advocate Pat Califia, who has spoken at mainstream institutions such as Penn State University, writes in an article posted on the "Butterfly Kisses" site that, "It is possible that sexual activity occurs more often between mothers and children or other women than between men and children. Women have more access to kids, and there are fewer taboos surrounding women's handling young people's bodies."

Over the past ten years, book titles have included "Female Sexual Abuse of Children," published in 1993 by Guilford Press, "When She was Bad: Violent Women and the Myth of Innocence," 1997 by Penguin Putnam, Inc. and "The Last Secret: Daughters Sexually Abused by Mothers," by Safer Society Press.

"The incidence of mother-daughter sexual abuse is unknown because it is a grossly underreported crime," according to a group called Making Daughters Safe Again, which calls itself the "only organization in the world specializing in mother-daughter sexual abuse."

Among the membership, comprised of women who were abused by their mothers, less than 1 percent report that any intervention occurred. An article on the MDSA website cites reasons for that, such as "the extreme rarity of the offender seeking treatment, the victim reporting the abuse, or the authorities discovering the crime." Other reasons include the fact that "therapists, social workers, doctors, teachers, etc., know very little about this form of abuse and/or do not consider it a possibility." Also, "perpetrators overwhelmingly appear like 'normal' caring mothers."

One MDSA member says about abuse by mothers: "I think that there is such a stigma to it. People don't want to hear about it and don't want to know about it. I think it must be really hard for people to hear that someone who is supposed to be so supportive of us can betray us so badly."

A recent article by MDSA, which cites research on the subject, says that in the past 20 years, "the incidence of child sexual abuse jumped from just one in a million to one in four or five children," according to a study by researcher Anne Stirling Hastings in 2000.

"In this time," the article says, "the conception of female children as victims of inappropriate male sexual behavior has dominated the research, and thus our understanding of child sexual abuse. However, recent research consistently reveals that females account for about one in four offenders," according to Patricia Pearson's 1997 study.

In their introduction to the Journal of Paedophilia issue about women, Sax and Deckwitz go on to say, "When we embarked on this study we were also surprised that so little consideration had been given to the positive, fruitful side of relationships between adult women and minors. In conversations with female friends, we heard so many happy stories, related with genuine pleasure, that our feeling was strengthened that presenting a positive view of relationships between women and young people was indeed justified."

The "Butterfly Kisses" site includes links to branches of the Big Sisters organization and Girl Scout websites, suggesting that these groups present good opportunities for women who desire sexual relationships with girls.

Resources on the pro-pedophile site include articles under the heading of "Girl Scouts and Mentoring" with titles such as "Women Mentoring Girls," "Big Sisters," and "Lesbians are to Scouting as Sunshine is to Summer."

In the site's reader forum, a participant identified as "Jean" posted a message Sept. 16, 2001, that said "this is the neatest forum. I have always been attracted to little girls (8-10 yr olds)."

"Jean" said she is a volunteer swimming instructor and asked members of the forum for their advice on "making little girlfriends."

The following day, "Poppy" wrote back and said, "You already have a convenient access to little girls as a swimming coach. Try showing them that you care about them more than your job asks you, i.e., help them with their daily problems, get to know them and become close with the girls who admire you."

Like "Poppy," many of the voices on the "Butterfly Kisses" site insist that they engage only in consensual relationships with children. "Poppy" suggested to the swimming instructor that she could offer to give a little course in kissing to a girl who seems to be flirting with her.

"But whatever you do," she advised, "don't force them to do anything they don't like. Good luck!"

Sax and Deckwitz try to address the obvious argument that "because of the difference in ages, a relationship between a minor and an adult is necessarily characterized by too great a power imbalance. The basis of this objection is that young people cannot always foresee the consequences of their actions, and that creates an opportunity for adults to use, or abuse, them. The wishes of the child are subordinated to those of the adult."

The authors object to that concern, however, arguing that "there is a power differential in every relationship. With children, great power differences play a role in their relationships with their parents, teachers, and even sometimes with their peers. We are dissatisfied with condemnations based on power imbalances."

Like male pedophile advocates, many female promoters believe that children are being oppressed by adults who have taken away their right to fully express their sexuality in any way they see fit.

"Butterfly Kisses" includes a section called "Rights Advocacy" with titles such as "Feminism, Pedophilia and Children's Rights," by Pat Califia, "A Child's Sexual Bill of Rights," "The North American Woman-Girl Love Association" and "Sexual Revolution and the Liberation of Children," by well-known feminist Kate Millett.

Unlike the male homosexual movement, says researcher Reisman, author of "Kinsey: Crimes & Consequences," "the feminist movement – and that includes the lesbian movement – has been vocal about 'It's not right to have sex with kids.'"

Nevertheless, Millett, author of the 1970 feminist tome "Sexual Politics," said in a 1980 interview reprinted in the book "The Age of Taboo," that "certainly, one of children's essential rights is to express themselves sexually, probably primarily with each other but with adults as well."

"Do you think that a tender, loving erotic relationship can exist between a boy and a man?" Millett was asked.

"Of course," she answered, "or between a female child and an older woman. Men and women have loved each other for millennia, as have people of different races. What I'm concerned about is the inequitous context within which these relationships must exist. Of course, these relationships can be non-exploitative and considering the circumstances they are probably heroic and very wonderful; but we have to admit that they can be exploitative as well – like in the prostitution of youth."

"Sexual Rights of Children," is an article published in 2000 by the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco, which was founded by associates of famed sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, a pedophile, according to Reisman's carefully documented research. The article states that there is "considerable evidence" that there is no "inherent harm in sexual expression in childhood."

While some believe they have "scientific evidence" to support that assessment, the wounded lives of members of Making Daughters Safe Again present a stark contradiction.

"Too often, I prefer to be alone, because my heavy heart is too full of past pain," said one member. "My children get either a robotic mom, a sad mom or an empty mom. There are times when I meet their emotional needs, but there are times when I need to, want to and can't. I have to heal before it is too late."

Another lamented that "as a child my body belonged to someone else and I had no boundaries. I never felt safe or whole. It almost feels like you are someone else. Almost as if you are the abuser. That you and her are one person."

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But at some point the distinction between an urge to ephebophilia and one toward pedophilia begins to blur.

I respectfully disagree, it’s the ages between 8 and puberty where homosexuals are more likely to abuse children, this age is well within the definition of pedophilia. However, definitions aside, it’s ludicrous to distinguish between pedo/ephebo philia unless they are seeking therapy; discerning the differences between bestiality, incest and homosexuality would be equally as meaningless. The APA removed homosexuality from the DSM III as a disorder if the patient has good psychosocial functioning, showed positive well-being and had no anxiety related distress, how many pedophiles do you think can pass that kind of diagnosis?

Gay advocates correctly state that most child molesters are heterosexual males. But this is a misleading statement. In proportion to their numbers (about 1 out of 36 men), homosexual males are more likely to engage in sex with minors: in fact, they appear to be three times more likely than straight men to engage in adult-child sexual relations Freund, K. and R. I. Watson, The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homo sexual Pedophiles Among Sex Offenders Against Children: An Exploratory Study, Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 18 (Spring 1992): 3443.
While no more than 2% of male adults are homosexual, some studies indicate that approximately 35% of pedophiles are homosexual. K. Freund et al., Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality, Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (Fall 1984): 197.
Homosexual pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles Freund, K. and R. I. Watson, The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Pedophiles Among Sex Offenders Against Children: An Exploratory Study, Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 18 (Spring 1992): 3443.
It is estimated that approximately 80% of pedophilic victims are boys who have been molested by adult males Schmidt, Thomas (1995). Straight and Narrow? Compassion and Clarity in the Homosexuality Debate. Downers Grove, Ill.: Intervarsity Press, p. 114.
Kurt Freund, et al., "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy 10 (1984): 197. "The proportional prevalence of offenders against male children in this group of 457 offenders against children was 36 percent." See also, Kurt Freund, et al., "Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference," "Approximately one-third of these individuals had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls. This finding is consistent with the proportions reported in two earlier studies," p. 107.

homosexual APA members who have taken care to dominate the appropriate committees and control its message on homosexuality

Ah yes, the self-serving division 44 where the inmates are running the asylum. I did an impromptu check on their members, out of 15 investigations, 10 were openly homosexual. Division 44 is in charge of making APA policy on homosexuality, there’s a conflict of interest when the committee is disproportionately homosexual.

Some additional documentation:

The A.P.A. Normalization of Homosexuality, and the Research Study of Irving Bieber

"Dr. Bieber was one of the key participants in the historical debate which culminated in the 1973 decision to remove homosexuality from the psychiatric manual.
His paper describes psychiatry's attempt to adopt a new "adaptational" perspective of normality. During this time, the profession was beginning to sever itself from established clinical theory--particularly psychoanalytic theories of unconscious motivation--claiming that if we do not readily see "distress, disability and disadvantage" in a particular psychological condition, then the condition is not disordered.
On first consideration, such a theory sounds plausible. However we see its startling consequences when we apply it to a condition such as pedophilia. Is the happy and otherwise well-functioning pedophile "normal"? As Dr. Bieber argues in this article, psychopathology can be ego-syntonic and not cause distress; and social effectiveness-‹that is, the ability to maintain positive social relations and perform work effectively--"may coexist with psychopathology, in some cases even of a psychotic order."...
Dr. Bieber describes the deletion of homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association's diagnostic and statistical manual as "the climax of a sociopolitical struggle involving what were deemed to be the rights of homosexuals."
Gay activist groups believed that prejudice against homosexuals could be extinguished only if, as homosexuals, they were accepted as normal. "They claimed that homosexuality is a preference, an orientation, a propensity; that it is neither a defect, a disturbance, a sickness, nor a malfunction of any sort." To promote this aim, Dr. Bieber reports, "Gay activists impugned the motives and ridiculed the work of those psychiatrists who asserted that homosexuality is other than normal."
A task force was set up to study homosexuality, but the members chosen included not a single psychiatrist who held the view that homosexuality was not a normal adaptation. There followed riots at scientific meetings by gay activists who increased the pressure on the Psychiatric Association.
Will preventive therapy for homosexuality be prohibited, Dr. Bieber wondered, when homosexuality is normalized?
Furthermmore-‹is it the proper domain of psychiatry to remove diagnoses to eliminate prejudice?
Dr. Bieber pointed out that there were several other conditions in the DSM-II that did not fulfill the "distress and social disability" criteria: voyeurism, fetishism, sexual sadism, and masochism. A.P.A.'s Dr. Spitzer replied that these conditions should perhaps also be removed from the DSM-II -- and that if the sadists and fetishists were to organize as did the gay activists, they, too, might find their conditions normalized.

Summary
The factors that determined the decision of the APA to delete homosexuality from DSM-II were summarized as follows:

Gay activists had a profound influence on psychiatric thinking.
A sincere belief was held by liberal-minded and compassionate psychiatrists that listing homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder supported and reinforced prejudice against homosexuals. Removal of the term from the diagnostic manual was viewed as a humane, progressive act.
There was an acceptance of new criteria to define psychiatric conditions. Only those disorders that caused a patient to suffer or that resulted in adjustment problems were thought to be appropriate for inclusion in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual.

Sorry, I'm a little late to the battle today! Had to go to the library to grade papers for my summer school class. We had a terrific storm up here today and the power was off at home.

Although late, some may find the following report from Culture Wars magazine interesting. It concerns Daniel Cohn-Bendit, the "Abbe Hoffman" of France, and a major figure in the revolutions of '68.

From May 2001 issue of Culture Wars Magazine.

(This article was originally published in the Austrian magazine, Die Aula.)

In a discussion which took place on Germany's second TV channel not too long ago, the former comrade in arms of Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer and current French(!) "Green" delegate to the European Senate, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, was suddenly confronted with his past as a revolutionary of the '68 period as well as his former activities as "pedagoue" in a left-wing, alternative, red Kindergarten. It was the return of a past that allowed a closer look at what has come to be known as the '68 movement.'

The topic isn't pleasant. We're talking about ideologically motivated social experiments with children in the one area where it's possible to damage them the most. .... In the dogmatic certainty which the Marxist gospel provided as a blueprint for changing society, they [the revolutionaries of '68 used children as experimental guinea pigs in the sensitive area of sexual development.....We're dealing with the topic because it makes clear just how the irresponsible behavior of people like Cohn-Bendit can now be found in the highest offices in both Germany and Austria [and I'm sure many other countries], and how these people dominate public discussion in both countries. These same piople are quick to attack anyone who disagrees with them as fascists. These same people will find this retrospective on 1968 a source of infamy.

[The following exchange on German TV makes clear what the author means by "infamy."]

ZDF: Was Daniel ever employed as a teacher in one of red day care centers?

Daniel: Yes, of course, of course.

ZDF: Did he publish the following text about his experiences in the day care center: "It often happened to me that children would unzip my fly and begin to fondle me."

At that point the eloquent European Parliamentarian had the look of a deer caught in the headlights of an oncoming car. Daniel suddenly found himself in the lion's den, observed by millions of TV viewers. What Cohn-Bendit then stammered out deserves to be quoted in extenso:

Daniel: Nothing real happened, but it sounds so real.

ZDF: You sound like the day care center Bukowski in this text! (Charles Bukowski is an American author who gives very graphic descriptions of his diverse sex life.)

Daniel: Yes, but that's the problem, that I believed, if I were to only in an abstract manner...then you discuss and then you don't discuss it. And in this situation I have attempted to create a history out of the various situations and occurrences that were part of the discussion in the day care center, things that I observed in part, by using the first person pronoun, saying things that, uh, I'm happy to discuss, in other words, yes.

ZDF: How do you explain the writing of such a text to your 10-year-old son?

Daniel: Yes, I have other problems. Yes, exactly. How do I discuss things like abortion with my 10-year-old son. For example, I want...so in other words, I want women to have these rights.

ZDF: Yes, but ultimately we still have to ask how do you explain this to him?

Daniel: Yes, if my 10-year-old son were to read this text, then I would explain the situation, explain the situation, to him precisely by saying that things like this were being discussed back then. And you know, it's the same with teachers nowadays, how do you explain to your 10-year-old son, who wants to get into the bathtub with you? Yes, or this, yes, you have to say something, yes or no in some form. These are real problems....

Britain's Guardian did an article which can be reached here. Don't have a German language link at the moment. (Oh, but to have this exchange on videotape!!!)

Thanks for the data, and I suspected some high proportion of gays on the 44 Committee (I believe I've noticed a reference to that group on their site).

David Ehrenstein, a gay fascist propagandist and Hollywood film critic (and self-appointed persecutor of magazine editor Andrew Sullivan), has written a book on the overthrow of the APA. He of course took another point of view, but in between his agitprop-terrorist fulminations on Salon's "TableTalk", his pride of authorship led him to divulge the method by which the APA was turned.

It seems that the principal investigators of homosexuality were, some of them, themselves gay. Gay-rights spear-carriers went to these people and offered to "out" them if they failed to see the light and support the new position rallying around the famous study that laid down the new rationale you outlined for "discovering" that homosexuality was not a paraphilia and not a disorder, if other mental-health criteria were satisfied.

So in short, major support was gathered for the DSM-3 rewrite via plain old blackmail.

Ehrenstein was eloquent in his disgust for gay psychiatrists who were engaged in psychotherapy work on other gays to attempt to reorient them. He said that he felt that it was a) hypocritical of them and b) deeply cynical of them to accept pay and emoluments for doing what the straight community wanted done "to" other gays.

Ehrenstein is a gay essentialist who believes it is the duty of the gay psychiatrist or psychologist to assist the embryonic gay in his development and self-realization. Ehrenstein didn't share his opinion of the practice described by the street phrase, "skinning some chicken".

Yes, the Hooker Study is the study to which the APA "reformers" benchmarked.

Ehrenstein didn't mention any names in his post to me. I don't know, not having read his book, whether he used any names in his book on the subject. I'm not sure even which book he discussed it in, but it was most likely Open Secrets: Gay Hollywood, 1928-2000.

Here is David Ehrenstein's post to me on Salon "TableTalk"'s thread, which is the Dr. Laura Schlessinger thread now in their "Social Issues/ Attic" folder:

David Ehrenstein - 07:28 am Pacific Time - May 24, 2000 - #276 of 867
Someday Andrew Sullivan's Gonna End.

What "older professional opinion" are you talking about? Are you aware of the history of psychiatry re gays and lesbians? Talk about "wiggle room"!

Until 1973, when gay activists forced the establishment to change course (thanks in no small part to pressure exerted on the closet queens who were a mainstay of said establishment) gays and lesbians were a cash cow. "Dr." Laura is disinclined to regad those udders as having run dry. And she is joined in this by Janet Parshall and the usual suspects.

That is the quote. As for the names of individual "closeted gays", he mentioned the names of Harry Stack Sullivan and Donald Webster Cory in another post following this one. He never gave me any particulars about Cory, but on a different thread (which, having spent about six hours excavating that last post, I think I'll refrain from trying to research) he said that Sullivan had made a living giving psychotherapy to other gays including aversion therapy for their homosexuality. Ehrenstein made it clear that he felt that Sullivan's motives were venal, cynical, and deeply immoral, given Sullivan's own homosexuality.

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