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To: lentulusgracchus
Thanks for the enlightenment. I thought I knew the whole story, are the investigators you are talking about Richard Green, M.D., Judd Marmor, M.D., and John Spiegel, M.D., are they the “gay” psychiatrics threatened to be outed?

rallying around the famous study that laid down the new rationale

Are you talking about the Hooker Study? I’m not aware of any other studies other than a vote from the board of trustees, Sabshin, Spitzer, et al followed by a vote of only 58% from the APA (psychiatric) general body in 74’.

99 posted on 07/24/2002 10:30:13 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Yes, the Hooker Study is the study to which the APA "reformers" benchmarked.

Ehrenstein didn't mention any names in his post to me. I don't know, not having read his book, whether he used any names in his book on the subject. I'm not sure even which book he discussed it in, but it was most likely Open Secrets: Gay Hollywood, 1928-2000.

Here is David Ehrenstein's post to me on Salon "TableTalk"'s thread, which is the Dr. Laura Schlessinger thread now in their "Social Issues/ Attic" folder:

David Ehrenstein - 07:28 am Pacific Time - May 24, 2000 - #276 of 867
Someday Andrew Sullivan's Gonna End.

What "older professional opinion" are you talking about? Are you aware of the history of psychiatry re gays and lesbians? Talk about "wiggle room"!

Until 1973, when gay activists forced the establishment to change course (thanks in no small part to pressure exerted on the closet queens who were a mainstay of said establishment) gays and lesbians were a cash cow. "Dr." Laura is disinclined to regad those udders as having run dry. And she is joined in this by Janet Parshall and the usual suspects.

That is the quote. As for the names of individual "closeted gays", he mentioned the names of Harry Stack Sullivan and Donald Webster Cory in another post following this one. He never gave me any particulars about Cory, but on a different thread (which, having spent about six hours excavating that last post, I think I'll refrain from trying to research) he said that Sullivan had made a living giving psychotherapy to other gays including aversion therapy for their homosexuality. Ehrenstein made it clear that he felt that Sullivan's motives were venal, cynical, and deeply immoral, given Sullivan's own homosexuality.

100 posted on 07/24/2002 4:15:10 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Clint N. Suhks
I wanted to send you a link to the APA's fairly recent survey results, from their poll of the membership concerning their opinions of the etiology of homosexuality, but unfortunately that page has been taken down.



I also confess I have trouble keeping the two APA's separate in my mind, so I can't even tell you now which organization it was that did the survey.


You might find this link interesting, however:


http://www.psych.org/pnews/99-01-15/bias.html



This page was put up by the American Psychoanalytic Association.


Notice the pro-gay political activity of the New York City Comptroller, who spoke at the event, whose office one would ordinarily think doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality.
111 posted on 07/25/2002 2:03:27 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Clint N. Suhks; EdReform
In further reply to your kind supply of links, I thought you might like to see what the American Psychological Association (the other APA -- we're going to have to start numbering them) has been up to in their very active parasitic LGBT org-within-an-org:

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/homepage.html

You can see immediately that they are politically active on the down-and-dirty level, engaging the entire credibility of their host organization on behalf of the gay-rights campaign in communicating with our Congressmen.

They are also very active, you can see by following the links, in attacking schools with the gay propaganda message.
112 posted on 07/25/2002 2:16:42 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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