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U.S. government doesn't trust Americans
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 07/17/2002 2:08:12 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

We're supposed to have a government of the people, for the people and by the people.

In fact, Americans are largely supposed to govern themselves in the system devised by our brilliant founders.

That is no longer the case because the U.S. government in Washington doesn't trust its citizens.

This sad truth has become crystal clear in the wake of the terror attacks of Sept. 11. Instead of enlisting Americans to fight this evil as past governments have in times of war, this administration, with at least the tacit approval of Congress, has used the attacks as an excuse to clamp down on the civil liberties of Americans and to keep closer tabs on law-abiding citizens. At the same time, the government has demonstrated, time and time again, its own startling inability to use its vast resources to prevent massive attacks on the people and even to recognize and identify from where the threats emanate.

The latest example of the government's alarming plans to target the entire population for more scrutiny is the Terrorism Information and Prevention System, or TIPS. Interestingly, the program came to light not through the reporting of any U.S. press outlets, but through a report in the Sydney Morning Herald in Australia and linked by WorldNetDaily.

Under plans outlined on the government's Citizen Corps website, a pilot program launching next month will enlist some 1 million domestic informants in 10 cities to spy on the people. That could mean, if the plan is carried out nationwide, there will be a government snoop for every 24 Americans.

What that means, the Sydney Morning Herald points out, is that the U.S. would have a higher percentage of citizen informants than the former East Germany through the dreaded Stasi secret police. At least 4 percent of Americans would participate in TIPS, under the government's plan.

The TIPS snoops will be recruited by the Department of Justice from among citizens whose work provides access to homes, businesses and transport systems – such as letter carriers, utility employees, truck drivers and train conductors.

The informants' reports will enter databases for future reference and possible action within the Justice Department, related agencies and local police forces. Of course, the targets of such spying will have no knowledge of the dossiers being maintained on them.

All this, of course, also comes in the context of other ominous legislation such as the Patriot Act, which permits a person's home to be searched without his or her knowledge. Bugs can be planted, papers can be seized – all prima facie violations of the Fourth Amendment.

Is this America?

What's going on here?

The government hardly has a sterling track record with its paid employees. What makes it think it will get good information from a network of voluntary informants? What's to prevent these people from acting out on grudges with neighbors? How can the information, to be widely shared within government circles and agencies, be verified and ascertained to be legitimate?

These are just some of the questions raised by this dangerous trend toward government non-accountability.

Government plans demonstrate we are clearly moving to an us-against-them mentality. These plans are not designed to protect the citizens of the United States, they are designed to protect government from the people.

Besides making all of us more fearful of our own government, this plan will have the added effect of making us all suspicious of those around us – our mailman, our meter reader, even the friendly train conductor. That's what happened in East Germany and in other totalitarian countries that instituted such draconian plans.

No matter how friendly a face the government attempts to put on this program, it is not going to fly in the USA. Let the word go out now to one and all who might be tempted to participate in such a program – we don't like domestic spies in the United States. We don't like rats. We don't like snitches. We don't like snoops. We don't like them and we don't need them – not here. Not in America. Not now. Not ever.


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To: Khepera
So how does this policy change the fact that we all need to report criminal or suspicious activities to the authorities? This is nothing being made into something for political gain pure and simple.

Perhaps the program isn't intended for political gain, but in the long run, I see no safeguards in place to prevent this from happening in the future.

Since the Patriot Act allows several (unconsititutional) actions to be taken merely on suspicion of wrong-doing (no evidence, little judicial oversight, no trial, etc.), I can see how "anonymous tips" could easily be used as political weapons by an unscrupilous administration.

21 posted on 07/17/2002 7:21:26 AM PDT by serinde
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To: madfly
The reason the government doesn't trust us is because they know that we don't trust them.

It's time to get back to a constitutional government.

22 posted on 07/17/2002 7:34:20 AM PDT by Brownie74
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To: serinde
What I meant was that the alarm over this is for political gain. Since when have we not been able to turn in our neighbors or report suspicious activities and, since when did the authorities not act on these tips. When I report criminal activities or suspicious activities I expect for the authorities to react.
23 posted on 07/17/2002 7:42:56 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: AmericanCompatriot
Yes, if we stop fooling ourselves, and take a realistic look at Americas situation, we are in deep trouble, and things are getting worse with each administration.

You are correct in that eventually, our government will call for the total removal of all guns.

When that happens, I fully expect many will refuse and the battle will begin.

24 posted on 07/17/2002 7:56:31 AM PDT by SamBees
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To: JohnHuang2; KentuckyWoman
The Patriot Act - is only the latest 'kow-towing' of GW to the UN.
In this case the patriot act is America's response to the UN Resolution #1373.


Then, there is this quote:
“ We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. “ ~~ John F. Kennedy

26 posted on 07/17/2002 8:02:48 AM PDT by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: DoughtyOne
How about number seven: "you are all humorless, joyless twits"?
27 posted on 07/17/2002 8:09:39 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
Aw, did someone disrespect your god? Sorry Arne, while we may agree on many things, that Bush is perfect is not one of them.
28 posted on 07/17/2002 8:12:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: grebu
Bullcrap.
29 posted on 07/17/2002 8:12:46 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: DoughtyOne
No, someone disrespected a group of Freeper women who I consider to be kind, optimistic and successful. Most of all of the women in those DOSE threads have held successful careers, they've raised children and grandchildren who still love and respect them and are involved in their lives, they have good friends and they share a really nice fellowship here. What a crime. And it pisses me off when I see a bunch 50 something male losers, unsuccessful in life and family, making fun of them. That's my beef, DO. I know that you are not involved in that, but I'm sick of anti-social guys here who feel the need to insult the genuine admiration and affection these ladies feel for the President, not as a policy maker, but as a virtuous and honest family man. That's petty b.s.
30 posted on 07/17/2002 8:20:59 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: WyldKard; JohnHuang2
The Government should serve and be distrusted by the people, not the other way around.

Great line! I nominate it for quote of the day.

31 posted on 07/17/2002 8:31:28 AM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: Khepera
Exactly which is why a permanent informant system is just the setup for a stasi/gestapo/cheka system and not about security.
32 posted on 07/17/2002 8:32:45 AM PDT by weikel
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To: ArneFufkin
How do you know the women in the DOSE threads have successful careeers and that the men who make fun of them don't?
33 posted on 07/17/2002 8:34:01 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Yakboy
I agree if I suspect anyone of being in TIPS well...
34 posted on 07/17/2002 8:35:53 AM PDT by weikel
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To: ArneFufkin
How about number seven: "you are all humorless, joyless twits"?

I'm sick of anti-social guys here who feel the need to insult the genuine admiration and affection these ladies feel for the President, not as a policy maker, but as a virtuous and honest family man. That's petty b.s.

Well now, that was pretty humorless and joyless...oh wait, you were just giving a demo. Nevermind.

35 posted on 07/17/2002 8:39:17 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: JohnHuang2
bump
36 posted on 07/17/2002 8:47:04 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: Wm Bach
Shouldn't you be on a conjugal visit with Frank Zito?
37 posted on 07/17/2002 8:47:41 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: weikel
If you have to ask that, you don't have a clue.
38 posted on 07/17/2002 8:51:35 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: weikel
How do you know the women in the DOSE threads have successful careeers and that the men who make fun of them don't.

You're a perfect example.

39 posted on 07/17/2002 8:52:40 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: ArneFufkin
Shouldn't you be on a conjugal visit with Frank Zito?

I don't take sloppy seconds after anybody, especially after a poofter like you.

40 posted on 07/17/2002 8:54:51 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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