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Pledge ruling cannot stand: Plaintiff had no standing, case must be killed
Union Leader ^ | July 15 2002

Posted on 07/15/2002 3:38:19 AM PDT by 2Trievers

JUDGES ON the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals have some 'splainin' to do. Why did they agree to take a case in which the plaintiff had no legal standing to bring one?

Any first-year law student knows that a person cannot file a lawsuit unless he can demonstrate "standing," which basically means he has to show that he was harmed. Michael Newdow, the atheist who filed suit with the charge that the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional, claimed that his daughter was harmed when she was exposed to the Pledge in school.

Last week, the girl's mother, who never married Newdow and has sole custody of the daughter, said the child in question was a Christian, goes to church regularly, doesn't mind reciting the Pledge, and was not harmed in any way by its recitation in school.

Check mate.

The ruling from the 9th Circuit affirming Newdow's charge that the Pledge is unconstitutional states that Newdow "claims that his daughter is injured when she is compelled to 'watch and listen as her state-employed teacher in her state-run school leads her classmates in a ritual proclaiming that there is a God and that our's (sic) is "one nation under God." '" If the daughter herself says she doesn't mind the Pledge, there is no harm done and therefore no legal right to sue. Newdow seems to know this. Now backtracking, he said last week, "The main thrust of this case is not my daughter, it's me."

Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. That one admission proves beyond any doubt that the suit is invalid. Given that Newdow's daughter herself says she was not injured by having to "watch and listen" to the Pledge, the suit must be dismissed because Newdow had no standing to bring it.

Will the court toss the suit out as it legally has to? Probably not. That the court accepted the invalid suit in the first place, not to mention the loopy decision the court made, reveals that the judges are more interested in creating law than applying it. Who knows, though. Maybe God, in His grace, will reach down in the night and bless the judges with a touch of good sense.



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To: two23
Michael Newdow is NOT an athiest...
21 posted on 07/15/2002 5:38:44 AM PDT by metesky
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To: SauronOfMordor
It's possible that he is not happy with his life in general.
He didn't marry the woman who is mother of his daughter,
He first filed this non-sense in Broward County, Fl and it was thrown out. The mother and child moved to CA and he follows them out there and then files.
He's just using this to get even and call attention to his other-wise insignificant self.
Left out.
22 posted on 07/15/2002 5:44:05 AM PDT by two23
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To: Catspaw
Biforcation is often used

Make that sometimes used, it doesn't happen often.

23 posted on 07/15/2002 5:44:42 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: kcvl
perhaps perjury in the same way that Roe, who testified in Roe v Wade, has since recanted her perjury, and yet the the court of supremes has not seen fit to undo their own brand of decision making based on the previous perjury. Ain't life great!
24 posted on 07/15/2002 5:53:49 AM PDT by wita
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To: RGSpincich
In California, the prevailing custom

1) Didn't the child only recently move to California?

2) If parents weren't married and don't cohabitate, the arrangement would be a little different as well.

25 posted on 07/15/2002 6:01:03 AM PDT by lepton
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To: lepton; RGSpincich
Ah, if the child wasn't born in California, but probably in Florida, there's a very good possibility that Florida courts have jurisdiction. I do remember the mother saying that they were in some sort of court battle when the lawsuit began.
26 posted on 07/15/2002 6:05:06 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: 2Trievers
I'm sure the 9th can twist the law to ignore this.
27 posted on 07/15/2002 6:05:48 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: lepton; Catspaw
Didn't the child only recently move to California?

Oh yeah. In that case, what about taking the child out of state? Normally not allowed, is it? Hope mom got the permission of the courts or an okay from the fruitcake dad. Or maybe she does have sole legal and physical custody without restrictions and this lawsuit (and the other one) is the dad's revenge. Could get messy here in California, the courts are already involved and may take jurisdiction because of the permanent move to the state.

28 posted on 07/15/2002 6:50:50 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
If mom had moved out of state without the court's permission or an okay from daddy, you know daddy would've had mommy's butt tossed in jail, parental kidnapping & all that.

But it does sound like daddy, who has an excessive amount of time on his hands, is making life for mom & child a living hell.

29 posted on 07/15/2002 6:57:27 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Keith in Iowa
I hope they go after him on that...

Do you really think that would happen in this part of Kalifornia?

30 posted on 07/15/2002 7:09:06 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: aristeides
I know I was speculating about the custody. But it seems Newdow is a LIAR!

In the interview with Rita Cosby on FOXwire, the mother said she had sole legal custody.

31 posted on 07/15/2002 7:17:56 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation; Catspaw; lawdog; homeschool mama
Here's a thread about another outrage by Judge Reinhardt: JUDICIAL HYPERACTIVISM (JUDGE REINHARDT ABOUT TO STRIKE AGAIN?).
32 posted on 07/15/2002 7:44:41 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: two23
He's just using this to get even and call attention to his other-wise insignificant self.

On another thread it comes out that the daughter is being raised as a Christian by her Christian mother, while he's a practicing Jew. So it's possible that the real story is that he's annoyed by this fact.

33 posted on 07/15/2002 8:16:05 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: 2Trievers
It would set a terrible precedent to allow the child to determine what she does or doesn't mind and whether or not she is harmed by an action.
34 posted on 07/15/2002 8:19:43 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: 2Trievers
Can we now go after this guy with a class action suit for mental anguish and stress?

At a minimum, I hope he has to reimburse the Treasury for his fraud.

35 posted on 07/15/2002 9:44:00 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society
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To: aristeides
It is my understanding that Banning and Newdow share custody.
36 posted on 07/15/2002 9:54:29 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Keith in Iowa
Any first-year law student knows that a person cannot file a lawsuit unless he can demonstrate "standing," which basically means he has to show that he was harmed.

"Standing" is one of the greatest threats to liberty and security in American law.

It is clear that laws such as the Americans with Disabilities Act, and the whole regulatory aparatis of the Federal Government that requires complience with what ever some bureaucrat dreams up, are unconstitutional. But ordinary people have no "standing" to challenge these laws. The damage they do to any individual is usually inifitesimal so individuals are declared not to have standing. I cannot go into court to demand that the government protect me from un-uniformed invaders from Mexico because the courts would rule that I do not have standing. Snail-darters have standing, but I do not; and my country is being eaten away.

ML/NJ

37 posted on 07/15/2002 2:10:41 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Catspaw
Looks like they are tangled up in the California courts and he still isn't doing too well. Probably asked for joint physical custody and failed to ask for the joint legal status. Common mistake in pro per or pro se cases. You have to ask, the courts don't offer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/01/national/01PLED.html?tntemail1

"It's the worst system in the entire nation," he said of California Family Court. "You want to do a real story? Do it on the family courts. They steal people's children based on absolutely nothing.
38 posted on 07/17/2002 7:40:09 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
Looks like he went into court in the custody issue not knowing that he's doing--and doing his narcissitic act, ranting and raging about FATHER'S RIGHTS in the abstract ("you MUST give this and this to me"), and forgetting that there's actually a child involved. I've seen some litigants get blinded by the ISSUES involved, and forget that there's a real, live child in the middle of this.

He does sound like this guy I knew who bragged about holding his wife in contempt of court over 150 times, including trying to hold her in contempt of court for not delivering the child's bicycle to his house when he demanded he bring it. And, no, he couldn't understand why he was assessed court costs and her legal fees for his litigation either.

39 posted on 07/17/2002 7:47:42 AM PDT by Catspaw
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