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AMISH ANGERED OVER TAX FOR ROADS (Which came first -- the horse or the automobile?)
The Washington Times ^ | July 14, 2002 | AP

Posted on 07/14/2002 5:30:13 PM PDT by varina davis

Amish angered over tax for roads

ARTHUR, Ill. (AP) — Amish buggies ramble up and down the road that winds around Reuben Schrock's farm, the horses tearing tiny chunks out of the oil-and-chip surface with their studded horseshoes. He can see, as anyone can, that the roads are in disrepair and that the horse-drawn buggies are partly to blame. But he doesn't believe the Amish, himself included, should pay anything extra for the repairs. "I can't deny the horses are gouging the roads, but I pay taxes just like everyone else," said Mr. Schrock, one of four horseshoe fitters in this Amish community. "Are you going to tell me those trucks roaring up and down our roads aren't causing more damage?" News has begun to circulate among the Amish in central Illinois that the governor signed into law a bill allowing townships to charge a fee for repairing roads damaged by horse-drawn carriages. Under the law, townships can charge up to $50 a year for each horse and buggy. The buggy bill, sponsored by Sen. Duane Noland, came out of discussions among Amish leaders, lawmakers and road commissioners in Douglas County, where about 4,000 Amish reside. Mr. Noland said the fee is warranted because of the damage the buggies cause to the region's roads. Amish horseshoers, including Mr. Schrock, weld cleats onto the horseshoes to provide extra traction when summer temperatures cause the oil-and-chip roads to become soft and slick. The studded shoes work like snow tires, and without them horses would be likely to slip and fall. "On a day when it's hot, it's damaging the roads," Mr. Noland said. "I'm not going to say they're excited about [the fee], but they're law-abiding people, and they understand the safety concerns." They understand them, but they say the studded horseshoes aren't to blame. Chris Helmuth, an Amish farmer who lives outside Arthur, said he would pay the fee, but reluctantly. He said the slick roads forced the Amish to use studded horseshoes, which otherwise wouldn't be necessary. "We wouldn't use these shoes if they wouldn't put oil and gravel all over the roads," he said. "My question is, 'Which came first?' The road caused us problems, and these horseshoes were the solution." Amish buggies have created questions before for lawmakers more accustomed to regulating cars. A judge ruled last month that an ultratraditional Amish congregation in Pennsylvania must use orange-and-red reflective triangles on their buggies for safety despite arguments by the group that gaudy decorations violate their beliefs. The Illinois law, which took affect this week, doesn't force all buggy owners to pay the fee. Each township has to approve the fee, and only residents in the township would be subject to the licensing requirement. Drivers of buggies would pay the fee once a year and would be issued a license plate like the one used on cars. In Bourbon Township, where the idea for the law originated, the fee would generate about $125,000 a year. It also would help police identify the drivers of buggies, many of which are driven by teenagers who have no identification, Mr. Noland said. Paul Herschberger, who drove his buggy into town to have an aching tooth worked on, said most Amish would pay the fee and move on with their lives, raising crops and looking after their children. For others, the fee is the just the latest disruption of their lifestyle, which often finds itself at odds with the rest of society. "To me, this is just more red tape — another law from a government that my people aren't used to dealing with and one some don't understand," Mr. Schrock said. "But we'll survive. We've survived worse."


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All they want is to be left alone. Who can blame them? The Amish take care of their own and prefer an agrarian life style -- yet they pay a fair share of taxes to fund a modern way of life they neither want nor support.
1 posted on 07/14/2002 5:30:14 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Heartily agreed. And paragraphs are our friends :-)
2 posted on 07/14/2002 5:34:04 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Darth Sidious
Heartily agreed. And paragraphs are our friends :-)

Oops! Forgot about the graphs. I hate that, too. Wish I could re-post it!

3 posted on 07/14/2002 5:36:22 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis; AmishDude
I agree.
4 posted on 07/14/2002 5:36:23 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: varina davis
However, for the empire builders, the Amash are the greatest threat. The Amash are beyond their ecnomic manipulations.
5 posted on 07/14/2002 5:38:52 PM PDT by Bogie
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To: varina davis
ARTHUR, Ill. (AP) - Amish buggies ramble up and down the road that winds around Reuben Schrock's farm, the horses tearing tiny chunks out of the oil-and-chip surface with their studded horseshoes.

He can see, as anyone can, that the roads are in disrepair and that the horse-drawn buggies are partly to blame. But he doesn't believe the Amish, himself included, should pay anything extra for the repairs.

"I can't deny the horses are gouging the roads, but I pay taxes just like everyone else," said Mr. Schrock, one of four horseshoe fitters in this Amish community. "Are you going to tell me those trucks roaring up and down our roads aren't causing more damage?"

News has begun to circulate among the Amish in central Illinois that the governor signed into law a bill allowing townships to charge a fee for repairing roads damaged by horse-drawn carriages. Under the law, townships can charge up to $50 a year for each horse and buggy.

The buggy bill, sponsored by Sen. Duane Noland, came out of discussions among Amish leaders, lawmakers and road commissioners in Douglas County, where about 4,000 Amish reside.

Mr. Noland said the fee is warranted because of the damage the buggies cause to the region's roads.

Amish horseshoers, including Mr. Schrock, weld cleats onto the horseshoes to provide extra traction when summer temperatures cause the oil-and-chip roads to become soft and slick. The studded shoes work like snow tires, and without them horses would be likely to slip and fall.

"On a day when it's hot, it's damaging the roads," Mr. Noland said. "I'm not going to say they're excited about [the fee], but they're law-abiding people, and they understand the safety concerns."

They understand them, but they say the studded horseshoes aren't to blame.

Chris Helmuth, an Amish farmer who lives outside Arthur, said he would pay the fee, but reluctantly. He said the slick roads forced the Amish to use studded horseshoes, which otherwise wouldn't be necessary.

"We wouldn't use these shoes if they wouldn't put oil and gravel all over the roads," he said. "My question is, 'Which came first?' The road caused us problems, and these horseshoes were the solution."

Amish buggies have created questions before for lawmakers more accustomed to regulating cars.

A judge ruled last month that an ultratraditional Amish congregation in Pennsylvania must use orange-and-red reflective triangles on their buggies for safety despite arguments by the group that gaudy decorations violate their beliefs.

The Illinois law, which took affect this week, doesn't force all buggy owners to pay the fee. Each township has to approve the fee, and only residents in the township would be subject to the licensing requirement.

Drivers of buggies would pay the fee once a year and would be issued a license plate like the one used on cars. In Bourbon Township, where the idea for the law originated, the fee would generate about $125,000 a year.

It also would help police identify the drivers of buggies, many of which are driven by teenagers who have no identification, Mr. Noland said.

Paul Herschberger, who drove his buggy into town to have an aching tooth worked on, said most Amish would pay the fee and move on with their lives, raising crops and looking after their children.

For others, the fee is the just the latest disruption of their lifestyle, which often finds itself at odds with the rest of society.

"To me, this is just more red tape - another law from a government that my people aren't used to dealing with and one some don't understand," Mr. Schrock said. "But we'll survive. We've survived worse."

6 posted on 07/14/2002 5:44:08 PM PDT by jae471
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To: varina davis
,,, the Amish have to step up their use of the environmental card. Their track record supports them as having put their money where their mouths are in that regard, should they choose to.
7 posted on 07/14/2002 5:44:25 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: varina davis
" oil and gravel " roads

We got 'em in rural Arizona, too, called "chip-seal". I detest them. The summer heats up the roads, the oily tar gets soft. Everybody's concrete driveways have a tire track of tar, and if you walk your dog in the evening, you'd best wash his feet before going back in the house.

8 posted on 07/14/2002 5:44:53 PM PDT by AngrySpud
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To: varina davis
What goes : clip clop clip clop clip clop bang bang clip clop?

an Amish drive by shooting

9 posted on 07/14/2002 5:45:26 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: varina davis
"I can't deny the horses are gouging the roads, but I pay taxes just like everyone else," said Mr. Schrock, one of four horseshoe fitters in this Amish community.

Here in neighboring Indiana, local government highway funds are composed of revenues from fuel and vehicle excise taxes. If Illinois is like Indiana, Mr. Schrock's taxes, most likely property taxes, aren't going to pay for road maintenance.

10 posted on 07/14/2002 5:47:11 PM PDT by DoctorHydrocal
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To: varina davis
Unlike many sectors in our society, these people pay FAR more into the system than they will EVERY take out. What other government services do these people receive benefit from?
11 posted on 07/14/2002 5:53:31 PM PDT by TheBattman
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
What goes : clip clop clip clop clip clop bang bang clip clop?

That's clip clop clip clop clip clop bang clip clop (muzzle loaders).

12 posted on 07/14/2002 6:13:38 PM PDT by Grut
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To: TheBattman
Off the top of my head.....

The military, law enforcement and sometimes medical services.
13 posted on 07/14/2002 6:13:39 PM PDT by Freeper 007
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To: varina davis
This is not about roads, it's about control. No license (identification control number), registration and insurance is required for buggies, this is the states method of implementing it.
14 posted on 07/14/2002 6:15:21 PM PDT by agitator
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To: TheBattman
What other government services do these people receive benefit from?

They show up in hospitals with a welfare card - I've seen this.

We protect them and fight their wars.

They benefit from our way of life, which was paid for in the blood of our, not their, young men.

I think they are parasites because somebody else does their fighting. They get to live their life the way they want because of the rest of us.

15 posted on 07/14/2002 6:17:22 PM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: jae471
Why not tax bicycles a $50 a year fee? They also use the roads. How about pedestrians? Babies in strollers?

This tax is absurd.

16 posted on 07/14/2002 6:26:40 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: varina davis
Render unto Ceaser what is Ceasar's. Or.....If you use the roads, pay for the roads. One would assume that if anyone were in an "Amish bashing mode", this would be the perfect forum in which hypocrytes could opine.
17 posted on 07/14/2002 6:36:07 PM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: TheBattman
Unlike many sectors in our society, these people pay FAR more into the system than they will EVERY take out. What other government services do these people receive benefit from?

As I believe another poster pointed out, national defense.

Certainly I want America to be the kind of country in which these folks can thrive. The history of persecution they endured in Europe is harrowing, and I am proud that America is different. However, there is a peculiar price to be paid due to their not voting. Because of their voluntarily accepting taxation without representation, their taxes are bound to be a little higher than otherwise. I can't feel bad about this.

18 posted on 07/14/2002 6:37:03 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: glockmeister40
They benefit from our way of life, which was paid for in the blood of our, not their, young men...

Ever hear of Sgt York ?

WWI Medal of Honor Winner ?

Amish fellow I believe.

Go back to sleep young man there will be no Amish drive by's in your neighborhood tonight. Oh yeah I believe the Amish that did'nt agree to kill another human, at least agreed to serve as medics.

By the way, "sgt rock" Which war did you serve in and what was you MOS ?

19 posted on 07/14/2002 6:43:08 PM PDT by jokar
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To: glockmeister40
Quakers and Jehovah Witnesses don't serve in the armed forces, either. I'm sure there are other religions that don't allow their members to serve in the armed forces, but these two are all I can remember right now. If others know of any other religions that don't allow service in the armed forces, ping me.
20 posted on 07/14/2002 6:44:13 PM PDT by Catspaw
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