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Oregon sheriff: 'We had our suspicions' (al-Qaida in Oregon)
Seattle Times ^ | July 13, 2002 | Hal Bernton, Mike Carter and David Heath

Posted on 07/13/2002 1:59:56 AM PDT by sarcasm

BLY, Ore. — This hard-knocks hamlet seems an unlikely place to search for clues to the al-Qaida terrorist network.

It sits on an arid plateau in Southern Oregon, about 50 miles east of Klamath Falls. With a population of about 250, it has a couple of cafes and small stores, an antique shop, and the razed foundation of an abandoned lumber mill.

But in late 1999, federal authorities and other sources say, the area had something far more unusual: militant Muslims scouting a ranch outside of town as a possible training camp for jihad fighters.

That aborted effort has now thrust Bly into the thick of a Seattle-based FBI and federal grand-jury investigation into al-Qaida's activities in the United States. Authorities suspect that a group of Seattle-based Muslims, mostly U.S. citizens, were operating as a "cell" in support of al-Qaida, and that opening a terrorist-training camp was part of their plans.

For about six months beginning in September 1999, Semi Osman — a cleric at a small Seattle mosque named Dar-us-Salaam — lived on the ranch, a few miles outside town. Osman is now in federal custody in Seattle, charged with immigration and weapons violations and under investigation for terror-related activities.

Sources say Osman's visitors on the Bly ranch included two members of a London mosque led by Sheik Abu Hamza al-Masri, a radical cleric believed to be an al-Qaida recruiter, and militant members of Osman's Central Area mosque. Some of the visitors rode horses and fired automatic weapons, according to people in the area.

Police began to watch the ranch closely, said Klamath County Sheriff Tim Evinger.

THE SEATTLE TIMES
"There were reports of gunfire and of a large group of suspicious, or unusual, people there," Evinger said.

Gunfire is common in rural Southern Oregon, where many residents carry arms and engage in target practice or hunting.

But this information concerned the sheriff enough that he turned it over to the FBI. He heard nothing again until after the Sept. 11 attacks, when the information gained new importance. His detectives were briefed about the federal investigation late last year, Evinger said.

"I think even before then, we had our suspicions about what this might be," he said. "You expect terrorist activity in the big cities. I think people need to realize this sort of stuff can happen anywhere."

Neighbors say Osman, now 32, kept a low profile, tooling around in a beat-up 1984 Toyota sedan and at one point commuting to Klamath Falls to work as a mechanic, according to neighbors and a former employer.

Still, he and his family got plenty of notice. In this community of bluejeans and boots, the balding, bearded Osman dressed in a tunic and skullcap. His wife, an American who converted to Islam, dressed in a long robe and headscarf in traditional Islamic fashion. A young daughter attended the local school.

Some Bly residents who knew Osman say that he was friendly and polite, and often spoke of his hopes to join the U.S. Army after he left the ranch. Osman, a naturalized British citizen with permanent U.S. residency status, was a member of the U.S. Naval Reserve.

But at least one neighbor, retired carpet layer Perry Thompson, clashed with Osman.

Thompson said Osman was a high-strung man who didn't like unexpected visitors. On two occasions, Thompson said, an armed Osman confronted him. In one of the incidents, Thompson said, Osman forced him to stop his truck by driving up from behind and parking in front of him, then he jumped out of his car, ran to his window and pointed a semiautomatic handgun at his head.

"He had all kinds of guns," Thompson said. "And he was belligerent."

HAL BERNTON / THE SEATTLE TIMES
Later residents of the Bly ranch have found spent and live ammunition from semiautomatic weapons.
A Bly tow-truck driver, Billie Livingston, also reports an unsettling visit to the ranch. Coming to jump-start a dead battery, she was surprised to find a half-dozen men, some of whom appeared foreign-born, intently watching her.

Among the men at the ranch in December 1999 were two men who federal investigators believe were sent by al-Qaida leaders to check out the ranch as a potential training camp.

The men's presence in Southern Oregon was documented in a speeding ticket issued that December in Klamath Falls. According to a source, the police officer became suspicious of the occupants of the car and checked their identification.

Later, federal agents would determine the men had arrived from Great Britain two weeks earlier.

"Those men," the source said, "were there for a bad purpose."

The two men were followers of Abu Hamza, leader of the North London Central Mosque in Finsbury Park, the heart of militant Islam in Europe.

Abu Hamza applauded the Sept. 11 attacks. His mosque had been attended by Zacarias Moussaoui, the only man charged in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, and by Richard Reid, the man accused of trying to blow up an American Airlines jetliner with explosives in his shoes.

Osman's attorney, Robert Leen, denies his client has any involvement with terrorism. Others who know Osman say that he was uncomfortable with the militancy of his visitors and that he sought to distance himself from them.

The Bly ranch had been owned by Esther Fisher Schneider, who died in August 1999 at age 82. She had moved from Washington state to Bly in the 1990s with a sheep rancher named Ivan Rule, known among Bly residents for espousing extreme right-wing political views.

The property is now listed as owned by the late Schneider and the Barraka Communal Corp., a nonprofit corporation created by Rule and an American Muslim woman who lived with him in 1999.

In February 2000, Osman and his family left the ranch. The daughter and son-in-law of neighbor Perry Thompson, Lona and Paul Azevedo, moved in. In walks on the property, the Azevedos have collected ammunition from semiautomatic and other weapons.

Rule, who no longer lives in Bly, was not available for comment. The IRS has a tax lien against him in Fremont County, Colo., in the amount of $10,041, dating from May 1994.

Lona Azevedo says she continues to pay rent to Rule through a Bly post office box, but she is not sure where he lives.

Meanwhile, yesterday in London, Abu Hamza denied any knowledge of a plot to set up a terrorist camp in Bly, or of a cell of al-Qaida supporters in Seattle.

"We have quite a good following in America, but we don't keep a structure because we are talking about principles," he told NBC.

"I have friends everywhere," he said. "When you are arresting people in America under suspicion, you might as well arrest the rest of the planet."


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To: SierraWasp
ISLAMAKAZIS describes them and their left wing supporters here and in the rest of the world.

Like Nattering Enviral Nannies describes the Druid Nuns that infest our western cities/towns.
21 posted on 07/13/2002 8:30:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
If you and I ever meet in person...

IT'S GONNA BE A RANT FEST!!!

22 posted on 07/13/2002 8:33:28 AM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: sarcasm
"a member of the U.S. Naval Reserve." -- Osman.

Scary.
23 posted on 07/13/2002 8:36:49 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: mewzilla
"Wasn't Oregon one of those states that was giving the FBI a ration of you-know-what by refusing to help them investigate Arab immigrants?"

Yep. Oregon was BIG TIME uncooperative. No wonder terrorists feel safe to operate from Oregon. The wingnuts are hiding them out.

Tryint to find a photo of this Ivan Rule...though he's apparently on the lamb, I can't find it on the FBI website.

24 posted on 07/13/2002 8:37:36 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Grampa Dave
"If the Islamakazis attack me, I will foam them into meeting their 72 Virgins."

COOL!

25 posted on 07/13/2002 8:40:23 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
That way they will be clean and freshly foamed to meet their 72 virgin goats and camels.
26 posted on 07/13/2002 8:44:18 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: SierraWasp
If Davis signs this SUV bill, maybe we can meet while parking our SUVs in his parking spot or in his office on his desk.

Then, while we are being tear gassed, maced and pounded by his CHP thugs, we can meet and Rant!
27 posted on 07/13/2002 8:47:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
That photo--I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Change the interstate marker to I-95, I-75, or I-4 and it describes FL as well. We are crawling with terrorists down here.
28 posted on 07/13/2002 8:52:38 AM PDT by Dixie Mom
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To: Dixie Mom
At least your governor is not coddling them and ignoring them like the left wing enviral piece of trash playing governor for Oregon.

I don't know about the mayors and city councils in the cities and towns of Floriduh. They could well be like the Watermelon Mayor of Portland, Ms Vera.
29 posted on 07/13/2002 8:56:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
"That way they will be clean and freshly foamed to meet their 72 virgin goats and camels."

LOL...don't forget the virgin hogs. I like your defenses though. In my area, there'd just be a sudden increase in accidents and mysterious disappearances, their livestock would die off mysteriously etc., until the remainder of them got the point.

30 posted on 07/13/2002 8:57:33 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Coffee_drinker
Yep. Kevin Mannix is OK. The only major thing I disagree with him on is vouchers. I voted for Jack Roberts in the primary, only because I thought he stood a better chance in the general, without being a total liberal.

But, I'm happy to vote for Mannix. I hope he can win. I don't know.

As for this particular locale (Bly), haven't been there, but have been to Lakeview. I really doubt you'd find a lot of liberals around there.

31 posted on 07/13/2002 9:05:33 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: cake_crumb
Yep. Oregon was BIG TIME uncooperative. No wonder terrorists feel safe to operate from Oregon.

This is not true. Portland was uncooperative. Not Oregon. Our state police have been available to assist the feds from day one, despite our lefist governor (Kitzhaber) and attorney general (Myers).

32 posted on 07/13/2002 9:09:23 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: sarcasm; Shermy; doug from upland
bump
33 posted on 07/13/2002 9:15:40 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: Grampa Dave
At least your governor is not coddling them and ignoring them like the left wing enviral piece of trash playing governor for Oregon.

Like I said to cake_crumb, this is inaccurate. As much as I dislike our idiot governor and "pro-abortion Cathlic" attorney general, I have to point out that they did not interfere in the Justice Department's investigation, and AG Hardy Myers actually made a legal ruling allowing the state police to assist the feds.

I have no problem criticizing these bozos when they screw up, which is most of the time, but in this case, it's uncalled for.

All of your outrage should be directed at Vera Katz, and whoever the dummy is that is the mayor of Corvallis. They are the ones who coddle terrorists and their allies. Kitzhaber and Myers deserve credit on this particular issue, as they did the right thing.

34 posted on 07/13/2002 9:16:02 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
"This is not true. Portland was uncooperative. Not Oregon. Our state police have been available to assist the feds from day one, despite our lefist governor (Kitzhaber) and attorney general (Myers)."

Sorry. AFTER I posted that, I realized that what I SHOULD have typed was "leftist officials in Oregon" rather than including (condemning?) the entire population of the state in one sweeping statement.

I know there're a lot of enclaves of conservatism in Oregon. For examples of Oregonin conservatism, we need look no further than our own Oregon FReepers. My apologies to Oregon conservatives...between the anarchists and the environazis and now the Islamic terrorists...AND the state government...I know you're fighting a terrible uphill battle.

35 posted on 07/13/2002 9:27:26 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: sarcasm

And a charming looking gentleman he is.

36 posted on 07/13/2002 9:34:01 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: sarcasm
often spoke of his hopes to join the U.S. Army after he left the ranch. Osman, a naturalized British citizen with permanent U.S. residency status, was a member of the U.S. Naval Reserve.

Blood boiling warning.

37 posted on 07/13/2002 9:40:11 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: B Knotts
All of your outrage should be directed at Vera Katz,

Bump that idea!

38 posted on 07/13/2002 9:43:23 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Grampa Dave
At least your governor is not coddling them and ignoring them like the left wing enviral piece of trash playing governor for Oregon.

I don't know about the mayors and city councils in the cities and towns of Floriduh. They could well be like the Watermelon Mayor of Portland, Ms Vera.

You're right, now if only the universities weren't so tolerant, we might have a fighting chance.

39 posted on 07/13/2002 9:46:34 AM PDT by Dixie Mom
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for ping .. BTW .. I have noticed I haven't the Merry Gang of Thugs from the Nation of Islam on TV lately
40 posted on 07/13/2002 11:12:54 AM PDT by Mo1
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