A Bush Hater's Poll

Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

This is an unofficial quick and dirty presidential poll. Apparently, there is a good sized contingent on Free Republic that believes that President Bush is:

1. Not conservative enough
2. Not pro-life
3. Is a gun-grabber
4. Is a federal power-grabber
5. Will appoint liberal judges
6. Is a globalist
7. Is in it just for oil
8. Is too soft on immigration
9. Is too soft (or too hard) on Israel
10. Is a crook
11. All of the above
12. None of the above
13. Other (you name it)

Please list the numbers that best match the reasons you don't like Bush (or state other reasons if not on the list) and state whether you believe that President Bush should be defeated even if it means installing a Democrat in the Whitehouse.

Conversely, if you believe President Bush should be re-elected, please state why.

Please state who you would like to see win the Presidency in 2004 and whether or not you believe he/she has a chance of winning.

Thanks,
Jim

[Texasforever]

I am still waiting to see your documentation that the President is stopping you from doing your job. Have you been told NOT to stop an illegal alien from entering the country?

[Sabertooth]

Saber, how much will it cost to round up and deport at least 3 million people?

It will cost a lot less than you think... get the ball rolling, and many will deport themselves. And the number is far higher than 3 million, BTW.

How long will the public put up with the infamous Elian photo multiplied a thousand fold?

How long will the public put up with blythe unenforcement of our laws and borders?

There will be a propaganda war, and guess what? The Republicans will have to fight back...

Show the crime statistics, all of the Illegals filling our jails, filling our emergency wards, films of coyotes coming across the border with the tacit approval of the Mexican government. Highlight and subtitle the speeches of Mexican politicians demanding Amnesty and unfettered immigration. You think Americans want that?

Do you HONESTLY believe that taking the actions required to rid the country of illegals can be sustained?

Yes, particularly during wartime.

Do you honestly believe this country, and especially the border states, can sustain the waves of Illegal Aliens indefinitely?

Without deportation you have non-enforcement and a de facto Amnesty for Illegals. What kind of a message does that send to future border jumpers?

"Keep on coming."

[ChadGore]

Re:"Heard on the radio coming home that it was cylyndrical and the ground shook for 30 seconds. "

I heard about that ! ! A rather stiff looking robotic figure emerged from the crash and announced, in a very monotone voice, that he would run for president again in 2004.

[Texasforever]

Apprehensions of illegals have in fact decreased since 9/11, compared to the same time period in the previous year.

That flies in the face of your asserions made on a previous thread when you were defending the INS.

[lotus]

Never thought of it that way, I figure at most its something fallen off a plane.

Heck a few years ago I stood under a ufo above my property and could have hit it with a rock. Dam thing had lights , like floods at every 90 degrees. No superior being would do that neither so I figured it was one of our doing some sort of test.

good point

[Jeremy_Reaban]

Well, I certainly don't hate him. In fact, I like him as a person more than any president since I've been alive. Not only is he honest (which is refreshing), he seems to be a genuinely nice person. But I am disappointed in his presidency. For reasons:

1 While he might be conservative, he seems to try to fix things by throwing money at it. How is that different from how democrats try to fix things? And does it work? Not really.

3 While he's supposed to be against gun control, his administration is against arming pilots. If pilots can't have guns, then who can? I mean, not only are a lot of them ex-military (and have training with guns), they're already in a position of great responsibility. So, by Bush saying they can't be trusted with guns, he's basically saying no one can. And don't give me that argument about how they could damage the plane in flight. They make special ammo that almost certainly won't (and has a side benefit of being very very deadly).

8 I'm sorry, but I don't like illegal immigrants. Immigration is fine, when it's controlled. But we're in a war, and right now, anyone can get over our border with anything. Some might be caught, but the majority will get through. (As Fox News has illustrated on both borders, by sending reporters to sneak across). We need to pull our troops from Korea (since they hate us there anyway - I mean, there were anti-american riots during the world cup - why the heck should be be defending those people when they hate our guts and don't want us there?) and put them on our borders. Because you know, in war, that's where troops belong, at least if they're not fighting the enemy.

13 Several reasons.

He just caved into the ICC, apparently. Sure, he didn't sign it (an in fact, un-signed it), but by not getting immunity from prosecution for our soldiers for peacekeeping, and now not withdrawing troops from peacekeeping without the imunity, he's basically selling them out. They can now be arrested off US soil at any time, even if they haven't committed a real crime. Read European papers - there are already some there that want to prosecture our troops in that wedding party incident. Not to mention US citizens like Henry Kissinger, and for our troops being in Bosnia in the first place.


He also seems to be under the spell of the Saudis. I mean, never mind that 15 of the 9/11 hijackers came from there, or that their exporting of Wahabism is basically the fuel of anti-americanism in the Islamic world, or that they pay off suicide bombers killing women, children, babies, etc in Israel, never mind the hatred against Americans (and Jews) spewed from their government supported imans, etc, etc, etc. I could go on about the Saudis for hours. Yet not only is nothing is being done about them, they are treated almost like masters. Some of the things our government does for them is just unbelieveable.

And whatever happened to free trade? Steel, huge farm subsidies. Blah. Those hurt the economy more than his permitting illegal immigration helps.

I also think the military campaign in Afghanistan should have used more ground troops to entrap Al-Qaeda, not just let them fly to Pakistan. But that's easy to say in hindsight.


Anyway, obviously he's better than Al Gore. But Bush is apparently to the left of many democrats on a lot of things (though obviously not the Gore-Lee-McKinney wing of the democratic party). I don't think that's a good thing for the country, or conservatives.

I'll certainly vote for him again. But he's turned out to be pretty much a moderate. Which is disappointing, IMHO.

[11B3]

A very elegant trap which you have set here, Jim - which allows you to accomplish many things regarding member's true intentions. Bravo. Much like the President's manner of doing things that the masses don't understand. Yet.

[Marine Inspector]

Most of them are already here and doing honest jobs that most Americans won't do. Yep just grab them by the collar and boot them out.

Lots of criminals do honest jobs, so do we just forget their crimes? What crimes are alright to commit? Where do you draw the line?

This problem wasn't created overnight and will not be solved overnight. We have two countries one rich and one poor that share a 2,000 mile border. The solution is try to get market reforms in Mexico and bring greater prosperity to Mexico. I think that everybody would agree on that and that ain't going to happen overnight and demonizing honest hard working people is not a solution either, IMHO.

No it was not, and it won’t be solved overnight. But under Bush’s policy it won’t be solved at all. I guess if we just ignore the problem it will go away. That was what they thought years ago. It did not work then and it won’t work now.

I’m not demonizing them, but then again I can’t call someone who lies and breaks the law honest either.

Go back to there home country, get in line, and let the Government get a handle on the situation.

[Types_with_Fist]

Uh Bauer threw his support to McCain in NH in 2000. Learn up on your political history

Uh, would this be worse than the Bushies behavior in the South Carolina primary and, subsequently, appointing homosexuals and Clintonites to government agencies?

[Zeroisanumber]

Then exactly what "measures" should the government (Bush) take? Be specific.

Both Greenspan and GWB's economic adviser (his name escapes me) have made several moderate suggestions that would give more power of oversight to corporate board members and force executives to include stock options on earnings reports.

Stock options and the way they are accounted for is central to the reforms that need to take place. A good article on the problem can be found at http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/11/business/11PAY.html (registration required).

[Gracey]

If someone doesn't get control of these borders it is a given the US will be a one party system,,,

And I will add that IF we don't get control and clean up the FRAUD in our election process the demoncrats will win every time (illegitimately) or is it unlegitimately, Jesse? he he

[Brownie74]

Ok, so I don't know you will say. Post away. You may surprise me.

I'm sorry Jim but your above statement makes absolutely no sense. Are you trying to say that you don't know what I will say.

I'm sorry Jim but the airlock is closed. You look lonely out there this morning.

HAL9000

This post saved to disk before posting.

[patriciaruth]

Pre 9/ll more than 2,000 shipments of nuclear waste were made without incident to the Hanford site in New Mexico. They all go with guards and unpublicized, but terrorism is a real concern. I agree, but I also feel leaving it lying all over the country is a terrorism risk, too.

The United States government has a contract with all our nuclear plants, etc. to provide storage of their waste. We have been paid by rate increases passed on already to the recipients of the electricity that was generated. Now we will be liable to fulfill this contract as the local sites are almost full and they need either to dig more swimming pools to hold the waste all over the country, or they need to ship it to one repository.

By law, if Nevada site isn't selected by the end of July, the government has to start the process of selection all over, and multibillions and ten years have already been spent doing the initial exams, science, selection, and site preparation. We would have to go through that process and expense all over again, only to end up with Alabama or Washington or another state mad as hell, like Nevada is now.

[Sabertooth]

LOL, what you mean Sabertooth, Miss American Pie, Brownie74, and Marine Inspector are all brand new to the immigration debate on FR?

No, you precious source of amusement.

This is the numeral 8

Go look through this thread and see the many unfamiliar names associated with that numeral, who stated in this informal poll that Bush's stance on immigration concerned them.

Even Jim Robinson, to his surprise, conceded that was a big issue for a lot of people here.

[Texasforever]

But under Bush’s policy it won’t be solved at all.

Once again, WHAT THE HELL IS THE BUSH POLICY that you keep referring to? If it is a policy then it is written down and you should have access to it.

[Dane]

No it was not, and it won’t be solved overnight. But under Bush’s policy it won’t be solved at all. I guess if we just ignore the problem it will go away. That was what they thought years ago. It did not work then and it won’t work now.

Huh I guess Bush's policy of trying to grow the Mexican economy is ignoring. Oh that's right that's ignoring to people who want a 2000 mile 30 foot high and thick wall as the only solution.

Never mind.

[patriciaruth]

It was the Aurora.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[brat]

Why not? 50 billion is peanuts compared to the farm subsidy bill that Bush signed! As to that old saw that they only take the jobs that Americans won't do...don't make me laugh!

[ArneFufkin]

They came 700 to the 12th power light years through every astonomical crisis and challenge, they supported 94 generations in travel, they rebuilt and re-engineered their entire fuel philosophy to implement latest efficient technologies, barely missed 12 Comets and surived perilous radiation and breathing challenges.\

700 to the 12th miles navigated successfully, and some asshole PR flack involves John McCain and he crashes the bird!