SELLING HOMOSEXUALITY

Boundless (a Webzine) ^ | 7/10/02 | Matt Kaufman

[Khepera]

Thank you very much.

[Salvation]

Debunking the theory that Father Mychal Judge was gay (my title; September 11th Hijacking: How "Gay" Activists Smeared Father Mychal Judge

[Salvation]

And it is happening in the schools too. Check out this GLSEN search page on FreeRepublic. And read the one about NEA and GLSEN Seek to Stifle Free Speech.

[Jorge]

i>Ummm…wrong! Adultery laws currently exist in 37 states and sodomy laws in 18 states.

Ok, there are numerous wacky laws still on the books in some states but they are almost never enforced.

So do you agree with the other poster that we should throw people in jail for homosexuality?
And adultery as well since you point out laws in some states against it?
What is your point?

By the way, Sodomy laws that have been repealed through legislative action in 26 states plus DC during recent years.
And they've been struck down in and additional 9 states by the courts.

Would you like to live in a country like Iraq where people are stoned for adultery or homosexuality?

Again, my original point was that people who run around stating that they want to see people jailed for homosexuality help gay rights more than the activists ever could.
Because people know that these sexual morality police could just as easily put them in jail for adultery.
Very few people want to live in a country like that.

[DoctorMichael]

.......read the one about NEA and GLSEN Seek to Stifle Free Speech.

Busy, aren't they.

[esopman]

As an eponymous Freeper, thank you for this article and your comments.

As a Christian (albeit coming to the vineyard late in the season), I thank you.

While much of the intellectual back-and-forth on this topic does not appear to be amenable to a clear verbal reduction, such an appearance is misleading.

The truth of the matter:

1. The moral climate of our world is a crucible in which each of us must choose.
2. Our Creator gave us free agency in the choice.
3. Our Creator also gave us His Spirit, His Word, His Son, to assist the choosing and forgive the wrong choices.
4. However, in the end, there is a judgement. And a punishment, for all unrepented wrong behavior. Example: promiscuous heterosexuality is a wrong choice. And Homosexuality is a wrong choice.
5. Unrepented wrong choices will incur a penalty. A very painful penalty.

I understand that words like these are not in style, in favor, or frankly, in very good taste. But they are true.

We could debate endlessly whether homosexual behavior is a choice, whether there is a God, whether.... I can only speak from the experience of a trained mind, a repentant heart and 59 years: Jesus is the loving Messiah and the homosexuals should turn to Him. I judge no man. 'Nuff said.

[Thermonuclear resistant neutronium flame suit now in place]

Blessings on Freepers Everywhere.

[Khepera]

We lived in a country (up until the last 20 years) with just those kinds of laws you eschew with such panicky and inflamitory retoric. These are perfectly reasonable laws and we did just fine. I had no complaints with these laws before the immoral courts intervened.

[Jorge]

We lived in a country (up until the last 20 years) with just those kinds of laws you eschew with such panicky and inflamitory retoric.

I simply stated the fact that some countries stone adulterers and homosexuals.
If you call that "panicky and inflamatory rhetoric", then you must have some problem with it being talked about at all.

These are perfectly reasonable laws and we did just fine. I had no complaints with these laws before the immoral courts intervened.

Oh, then you think it would be perfectly reasonable for Bill Clinton and Monica to be stoned for adultery, Ex-NY Mayor Giuliani, half the members of Congress etc. etc. all to get the death penalty for adultery.
Along with the homosexuals of course.
Incredible.

As I said, this is precisely the sort of kooky rhetoric that helps gay rights activists win support from the heterosexual community.

[Khepera]

Nobody was stoned to death. (Aside from a few drug overdoses in the last 20 years) You are raising inflamitory retoric to blow things out of perspective. We have never had laws in this country that called for stoning adulterers. Reasonable people should find your fearful statements quite amusing.

[Jorge]

Nobody was stoned to death.

This makes a lot of sense.
I said there are countries where adulters and homosexuals are stoned to death.
You said you've lived in some of those countries I am talking about.
Now you say "Nobody was stoned to death".

Huh?

You are raising inflamitory retoric to blow things out of perspective. We have never had laws in this country that called for stoning adulterers. Reasonable people should find your fearful statements quite amusing.

Reasonable people should find the fact that in some countries (especially Muslim nations) adulterers and homosexuals are executed, is simply the truth.
These countries don't even try to hide it.

I never said it was this country.

[Khepera]

So your arguments do not apply to us but are derived from your view of other countries. So what do your arguments have to do with us? Well nothing really it is just inflamitory retoric used by you to scare people into supporting your desire to be immoral.

[Jorge]

So your arguments do not apply to us but are derived from your view of other countries. So what do your arguments have to do with us?

Sigh...I was responding to your statement that "homosexuals belong in prison"..by bringing up examples of countries where they prosecute and even execute people for things like adultery and homosexuality.

Perhaps you should go back and review the posts in this dialogue and get back to me when you remember what we are talking about.

[vikingchick]

Reasonable people should find your fearful statements quite amusing.

BUMP.

[Khepera]

Homosexuals still belong in jail with all those other criminals. The fact that you don't think so or are afraid you will be persecuted for your sins does not change that.

[Jorge]

....it is just inflamitory retoric used by you to scare people into supporting your desire to be immoral.

Oh, so anyone who doesn't believe the American Govt should be throwing people into prison for adultery and homosexuality (as you suggested) must therefore be looking for others to support their "desire to be immoral."

Perhaps in addition to looking into people's bedrooms you would also like to look into people's minds and tell them what they desire..and throw them in jail for that too?..incredible.
I'm glad this exchange has given you the opportunity to show what you are really all about.

[Khepera]

Yea yea I have heard all this scare mongering before. Nobody but you suggested that anyone look into anyones bedrooms or read their thoughts. I don't think any of that would be necessary nor has it ever happened the way you describe in this country.

[Jorge]

Homosexuals still belong in jail with all those other criminals. The fact that you don't think so or are afraid you will be persecuted for your sins does not change that.

...Unlike you who are sinless and therefore think you have absolutely nothing to fear from other self-righteous hypocrites like yourself.
I wonder why Jesus saved His greatest condemnations for the Pharisees who considered themselves as righteous and all others sinners?
I'll pray for you.

[freebilly]

by the way.... Homosexuals belong in prison.

Based on prison rape statistics, they're already there....

[Jorge]

Yea yea I have heard all this scare mongering before. Nobody but you suggested that anyone look into anyones bedrooms or read their thoughts.

Wrong.
You are the one who suggested throwing people into prison for sexual behavior which occurs in their bedrooms, and because I disagreed with you, accused me of the "desire to be immoral"..when the truth is you know absolutely nothing about me or my personal life.
You keep taking positions and then backing away from them.
I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to have to defend your posts either.

[Khepera]

As long as you are praying for me and not against me then thank you for your prayers.

I think you are confused about the Pharisees. Because I speak out in favour of morality is in no way connected to the story of the Pharisees.