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SELLING HOMOSEXUALITY
Boundless (a Webzine) ^ | 7/10/02 | Matt Kaufman

Posted on 07/10/2002 7:19:19 AM PDT by DoctorMichael

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To: FreeTally
Jonah Goldberg says it, so it must be true.

Thank you. So at least you admit that other people may have seen a different movie than yourself and that your point of view is not the standard.

As I said previously, good luck.

41 posted on 07/10/2002 1:22:53 PM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: DoctorMichael
Who'd want to be homosexual, anyway? I mean, you could put a guy in panties on a bed of roses and I still wouldn't want to have sex with him! Whatever the advertising campaign, no one's going to become homosexual or even see the sense in it. I don't understand homosexual attraction and never will, no matter how ANYONE paints it. Do you believe normal people are that gullible?
42 posted on 07/10/2002 6:54:19 PM PDT by 135steward
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To: DoctorMichael
What else? As Rondeau says,
Pederasts, gender-benders, sado-masochists, and other minorities within the homosexual community with more extreme “peculiarities” would keep a low profile. . . . Also, common practices such as anal-oral sex, anal sex, fisting and anonymous sex — that is to say what homosexuals actually do and with how many they do it — must never be a topic.

Just about says exactly what our job should be to confound and expose this massive, long term propaganda assault by these perverted jerks. TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO in terms of their fisting proclivities, anonymous sexual appetites, etc. If the mothers and fathers of America begin to focus on what homosexuals do to each other...they will want their children as far away from that life choice as possible.

43 posted on 07/10/2002 7:00:19 PM PDT by Republic
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To: Khepera
Ih by the way.... Homosexuals belong in prison.

By the way, these kinds of statements probably help promote the homosexual agenda more effectively than any gay rights campaign could ever do.

Saying homosexuals belong in prison feeds right into the stereotype of homophobic bigots and hate mongers who want to put people in jail for what they do in their bed rooms.
Even people who normally won't support gay rights would prefer that if it means stopping fanatics who might just next suggest stoning adulterers.

44 posted on 07/10/2002 7:14:45 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Your argument is like saying that one should not say people who rob stores should be in prison because if we do that then someone may suggest that shoplifters should be executed. This will scare people so bad that they will actually join with robbers in their effort to legalize robbery.

Golly we should not speak out against anything for fear that someone will take it as hate speech or they may think we will not ever change our minds about them. (A bigot is one who holds views that they are not willing to change) Well what the hell is wrong with not wanting to change your mind about some things? What’s wrong with me not wanting to change my mind about homosexuality being a criminal behavior?

Do people have the right to engage in criminal behavior as long as it is behind closed doors or in the privacy of their own homes? Should we be more tolerant of it because they only do it with the door closed? Maybe society should let me beat my wife as long as I do it in the privacy of my bedroom and she is unwilling to complain. Maybe we should not suggest that wife beaters belong in jail for fear that someone will say we should execute people who spank their children. This will scare the rest of us into siding with the spousal abusers.

Where do you come up with this type of thinking?
45 posted on 07/11/2002 6:37:11 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: 135steward
Do you believe normal people are that gullible?

No..............but the general idea of the main article is twofold: 1)Heap shame on good people so that they DON'T/WON'T speak up, 2)Avoid all the bad stuff (Pederasts, gender-benders, sado-masochists, anal-oral sex, anal sex, fisting, anonymous sex) and relegate it to a 'low-profile' so as to NORMALIZE the overall lifestyle ({Big Smiley-face} "We're just plain folks. Just like you.").

SELL IT

Once this happens (.......and is happening, as highlighted here in many Posts on FreeRepublic!!!!) they can gain access to the schools (to RECRUIT children into their lifestyle) or to the adoption agencies (Rosie O'Doughnut), or any number of other state-sponsored agencies where they can get fresh meat.

46 posted on 07/11/2002 7:33:38 AM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: DoctorMichael
I really don't care what David or Abraham did. I know for sure that men/women love relation is the norm. There is of course some nuts who like to copulate with animals! That is there prerogative. You do what you like in your house. Please do not take your lover dog to the park to make out with it, and force the rest of us to accept it as a "life style"
47 posted on 07/11/2002 7:55:34 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: DoctorMichael
Sorry............Three-fold: Desensitize, Jam and Convert

1) Desensitization- "Subjecting the public to a continuous flood of gay-related advertising, presented in the least offensive fashion possible..........talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome...........get [straights] to think homosexuality is just another thing".

2) Jamming- "Smearing anyone who disagrees with their agenda".

3) Conversion- "Conversion of the average American’s emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media".

48 posted on 07/11/2002 8:17:29 AM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: Khepera
Your argument is like saying that one should not say people who rob stores should be in prison because if we do that then someone may suggest that shoplifters should be executed. This will scare people so bad that they will actually join with robbers in their effort to legalize robbery.

No, stealing and robbery are illegal in this country, and most people believe they should be.

Homosexuality and adultery are not illegal and most people are not too keen on the idea of putting people in jail for these things.

Therefore when they hear a person saying they want homosexuals in jail, they realize the same thinking could be very easily applied to adulterers....and most don't want to live in a country where people are stoned for adultery and homosexuality.

As a result, these kinds of inflamatory statements inadvertantly increase empathy for gay rights.

49 posted on 07/11/2002 6:08:40 PM PDT by Jorge
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50 posted on 07/11/2002 6:09:28 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: father_elijah; Antoninus; aposiopetic; Salvation; ELS; nina0113; Steve0113; el_chupacabra; ...
But the Internet transcends traditional media and academic gatekeepers. If half the people who read this column forward it to a few of their friends, word will get around to an awful lot of folk. Not as many as watch Will & Grace, mind you, but maybe enough to get a real debate going on the merits of homosexuality — on issues like where it comes from (click here and here), what's wrong with it and how it distorts God's plan.
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51 posted on 07/12/2002 10:05:11 AM PDT by patent
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To: patent
Link to the Rondeau article: http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/lawreview/articles/14_2Rondeau.PDF
52 posted on 07/12/2002 10:05:53 AM PDT by patent
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To: patent
Thanks for the flag, patent.

This link is a little jumbled, though has long been one of my favorites concerning this general subject.

53 posted on 07/12/2002 10:34:44 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: DoctorMichael
Once this happens (.......and is happening, as highlighted here in many Posts on FreeRepublic!!!!) they can gain access to the schools (to RECRUIT children into their lifestyle) ...
Youth recruiting is going on even as we speak at the Lavender Youth Recreation & Information Center. Note the programs for "18 & younger."
Of course, Kirk and Madsen are well aware that there are also plenty of things not to portray. They stress the need to keep quiet about the details of homosexual practices, at least until the public is thoroughly desensitized. “First you get your foot in the door, by being as similar as possible; then, and only then — when your one little difference [sexual orientation] is finally accepted — can you start dragging in your other peculiarities, one by one.” What “peculiarities?” ... Pederasts, gender-benders, sado-masochists, and other minorities within the homosexual community with more extreme “peculiarities” would keep a low profile
Established in 1981 in New York City as an affiliate of Dignity New York (a group of dissident Catholics who, in tandem with the secular "gay" activists, are trying to subvert traditional Catholic teaching that homosexual practices are gravely sinful), Defenders/USA is
a club for individuals who value and wish to celebrate both their leather "lifestyle" and their Christian spirituality. Contrary to common belief, the two are not mutually exclusive. The Defenders believe that the leather experience can, when integrated and spiritually informed, actually produce a richer spirituality for us, and for the Church.

54 posted on 07/12/2002 11:41:27 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: DoctorMichael
"“If you can get [straights] to think homosexuality is just another thing — meriting no more than a shrug of the shoulders — then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won.” "

There's only one thing wrong with this little piece of "reasoning:" The vast majority of people in this country are DISGUSTED by the idea of anal intercourse. It's not going to be as easy for these perverts to win as they think it is. They are noisy, and they are persistent, and they are in the schools. But what do you think a kid who's been indoctrinated with "alternate lifestyles" propaganda is going to think when he finds out the "alternate lifestyle" his teacher says is so wonderful is nothing more than poking important things into filthy places where they don't belong?

And the liberal librarian-types and other lefties all think this is very cute. But most of them have almost succeeded in making the disconnect between the acceptance of this act and the actual doing of it. Never miss an opportunity to describe all the interesting little nuances to BF'ing to one of these twits.

55 posted on 07/12/2002 11:49:09 AM PDT by redhead
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To: Republic
"Just about says exactly what our job should be to confound and expose this massive, long term propaganda assault by these perverted jerks. TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO in terms of their fisting proclivities, anonymous sexual appetites, etc. If the mothers and fathers of America begin to focus on what homosexuals do to each other...they will want their children as far away from that life choice as possible."

100% dead on target. This is exactly what needs to happen.

56 posted on 07/12/2002 11:56:24 AM PDT by redhead
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To: redhead
............only one thing wrong with this little piece of "reasoning:" The vast majority of people in this country are DISGUSTED by the idea of anal intercourse..........

Good point. Additionally, the individual (depending on how early he is indoctrinated) must also overcome issues of cleanliness and hygene........someone elses feces are not the most erotic thing I can think of. There is a Freudian term for THIS inhibition but it escapes me at the moment.

57 posted on 07/12/2002 12:29:37 PM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: beckett
I agree with your review of American Beauty. I'd seen this movie, oh I'd say atleast 10 times (Kevin Spacey and Annette Benning were EXCELLENT in that move) because it is funny and entertaining. The last time my husband and I were watching it, it dawned on me. The underlying message in that movie is that society's insistence that homosexuality must be repressed leads to nothing but pain and anger. In the end, the military father goes nuts. If only society had been more accepting and not insisted that he live a lie based on some imagined sense of morality. He is a victim of society not a psycho killer child abuser. It is society's fault for their homophobia and prejudices. Also, the two middle class traditional families are betrayed as totally dysfunctional while the homo neighbors are portryed as happy and functional members of society, a doctor and a lawyer, health buffs, kind, friendly neighbors. American Beauty is definitely has a pro-homsexual message, IMHO. That being said I will probably still watch it again, it is just entertainment. My views on homosexuality have not changed even after seeing the movie 10 or more times.

58 posted on 07/12/2002 12:42:23 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: patent
Heck, as long as we are on the subject. Sesame Street to Introduce HIV-Positive Muppet
59 posted on 07/12/2002 12:58:33 PM PDT by patent
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To: Jorge; Khepera
Homosexuality and adultery are not illegal and most people are not too keen on the idea of putting people in jail for these things.

Ummm…wrong! Adultery laws currently exist in 37 states and sodomy laws in 18 states.

60 posted on 07/12/2002 1:24:12 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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