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Hispanics praise new citizenship policy for military
The Houston Chronicle ^ | July 5, 2002, 11:59PM | Edward Hegstrom

Posted on 07/07/2002 8:26:57 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch

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To: Sabertooth
I think you are just lashing out. It is becoming almost a Pavlovian response. I would suggest you pick your shots with more judiciousness. It might enhance your effectiveness, not that I look forward to THAT. :)
21 posted on 07/07/2002 9:47:48 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Nice try... I simply think there's a fundamental flaw in fast-tracking multiple steps of the Immigration and Naturalization process, and rewarding scofflaws in the bargain.

I would suggest that the Pavlovian response is actually found in the salivary glands of Administration whiz kids every time they think they've got the "next big plan" to pander their way to the hearts of Hispanic voters.

Like the Democrats can't find a way to outbid them...



22 posted on 07/07/2002 9:54:24 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: InvisibleChurch
Why do we have non citizens in our military at all?
23 posted on 07/07/2002 9:57:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Sabertooth
According to this article, this EO doesn't reward scofflaws . . . it rewards folks who are already Legal Permanent Residents.
24 posted on 07/07/2002 10:07:20 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Sabertooth
WEll you have never read MOI once suggesting partisan reasons for my views on immigration now have you? Not once, not ever.
25 posted on 07/07/2002 10:07:55 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Sabertooth
rewarding scofflaws

Just why are legal residents that join the military scofflaws?

26 posted on 07/07/2002 10:08:58 PM PDT by Torie
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To: InvisibleChurch
The real question here is....what WON'T dubya do for votes?
27 posted on 07/07/2002 10:11:50 PM PDT by thepitts
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To: 1rudeboy
According to this article, this EO doesn't reward scofflaws . . . it rewards folks who are already Legal Permanent Residents.

My point is that until all of the sundry Amnesty programs are laid to rest by both parties and President Bush, then this EO could certainly be used to reward scofflaws.

The President has given ample reason not to be trusted on his Immigration policies. Sorry, but them's the facts.




28 posted on 07/07/2002 10:12:11 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: thepitts
The real question here is....what WON'T dubya do for votes?

Grant your every wish?

29 posted on 07/07/2002 10:17:32 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Torie
Just why are legal residents that join the military scofflaws?

Here are my posts...

In the absence of an appropriate response to the problem of Illegal aliens, coupled with President Bush's attempted Section 245(i) extension which would have green carded a few hundred thousand Illegals, and the softball approach taken by the Administration to Middle Eastern non-citizens, I think this Executive Order is untimely.

I simply think there's a fundamental flaw in fast-tracking multiple steps of the Immigration and Naturalization process, and rewarding scofflaws in the bargain.

If we didn't have a President so enamored with "regularization" and "normalization" of "undocumented workers," I'd have a lot less problems with this EO.

As it stands, the President doesn't strike me as the right person to safeguard against abuses. On the matter of Immigration he jangles a lot of cynicism radars, and one is left to wonder what Bush will pull following the mid-term elections.




30 posted on 07/07/2002 10:21:29 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
I am proud that our President has made this order. It is overdue. Anyone willing to risk his or her life in defense of this nation has my profound gratitude and is most deserving of citizenship, if he or she so desires. Most citizens, like myself, never lay our lives on the line to defend the marvelous foundations of this nation. God Bless America and all who defend her!!!
31 posted on 07/07/2002 10:22:04 PM PDT by Republic
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To: Sabertooth
Whatever. I think giving citizenship to folks that serve in the US military is the LEAST of our problems. I can't think of a more honorable way of earning it. I think the program should be expanded. It sure beats anchor babies.
32 posted on 07/07/2002 10:24:14 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Republic
I am proud that our President has made this order. It is overdue. Anyone willing to risk his or her life in defense of this nation has my profound gratitude and is most deserving of citizenship, if he or she so desires.

None of which adresses any of the concerns I've raised.

The problem is this particular President, and the context of this EO in his overall vision for Immigration policy in this country.




33 posted on 07/07/2002 10:26:03 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: HiTech RedNeck; stylin19a; Sabertooth; Razwan
In many instances, I think the "non-citizen" have better motives for serving than their citizen counterparts. On a related thread (Immigrants in military can become citizens), a fellow FReeper made a great observation:
"I work at an MOS producing school, and one of the first things we do with the FNGs is have them introduce themselves, tell us why they joined the Army, etc."

"Most of the non-native born are there because they want to give something back to the country that took them and their families in; most of the native borns are there because of the college fund or enlistment bonuses, and are not afraid to say that."

I'm not saying that Bush's move was at least partially a political move, but I think we shouldn't automatically disqualify "non-citizens" from serving. My cousin who arrived from the southern island of Mindanao in the Phillipines a few years ago is now a Marine proudly serving our country overseas in Japan. He probably is now eligible under this new policy. Although I'm probably disqualified from the armed services for health reasons (asthma), I'm glad another member of my family has signed up. My aunt and uncle (also born in the Phillipines and now naturalized citizens) are members of the Delaware Army National Guard, and on my mother's side, my great uncle died in service our nation after he was captured by the Japanese in the Phillipines of all places. He died during the Bataan Death March.

Another comment on that thread said that any in case, any applicant to the armed services are questioned about their background, and anyone from "questionable" parts of the world are probably under extra scrutiny. I think that if "non-citizens" want to serve, and they pass all the tests, they should be able. They are part of a proud tradition of people who served in our military after newly arriving. Many have died in the line of duty. I think people need to think about where they stand on this carefully.

34 posted on 07/07/2002 10:27:29 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Why do we have non citizens in our military at all?

Because some of them volunteer to fight for this country before their five year residency requirement for citizenship has passed which is a hell of a lot more volunteering than most native-born Americans do.

When my uncle came to this country, he volunteered for and fought at the Bay of Pigs. After his release as a Bay of Pigs POW, he volunteered for the U.S. Army and served two combat tours in Vietnam as a Green Beret before he was eligible for citizenship.

After his second Vietnam combat tour, he went to take his oral test for U.S. citizenship. He wore his Green Beret uniform to the test. His right uniform sleeve was empty as he had taken a round to the shoulder and his right arm was strapped to his chest. His decorations included the Combat Infantry Badge, a Bronze Star with a V and a cluster, a Purple Heart with a cluster and a Vietnam campaign ribbon with a cluster.

When he got back from the oral test, the family asked him what questions he had been asked. He replied, "The examiner did not ask me a single question. He just looked at me up and down a couple of times and said,.....

'You passed'".

35 posted on 07/07/2002 10:50:19 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
Great story. It sums it all up nicely. Some folks simply have their priorities wrong. One can't do much with them, except hope that with the passage of time will come a glimmer of wisdom, and yes, compassion.
36 posted on 07/07/2002 10:57:34 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Sabertooth
The problem is this particular President, and the context of this EO in his overall vision for Immigration policy in this country.

I guess that means the only thing this President can do that would satisfy you is resign. Fat chance!

37 posted on 07/07/2002 11:03:04 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S
I guess that means the only thing this President can do that would satisfy you is resign. Fat chance!

I guess I have no further response to yet another straw man from you.




38 posted on 07/07/2002 11:07:06 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Dave S
bump
39 posted on 07/07/2002 11:15:46 PM PDT by tophat9000
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To: Sabertooth
Yes, all the better to shoot citizens if you have a foreign manned army with no loyalty to them.
40 posted on 07/07/2002 11:16:03 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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