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Experts Urge Mass Vaccination for Smallpox Attack (Watch Out)
Reuters ^ | Sun Jul 7 | By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

Posted on 07/07/2002 3:14:48 PM PDT by PatriotReporter

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1 posted on 07/07/2002 3:14:48 PM PDT by PatriotReporter
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To: PatriotReporter
This is kinda scary. What is the evidence that standard smallpox vaccination would work against the many known genetically modified versions?
2 posted on 07/07/2002 3:18:44 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: PatriotReporter
Doctors abandon bonus scheme for MMR jabs

By Celia Hall, Medical Editor

(Filed: 03/07/2002)

Doctors voted yesterday to abandon a system of payments for vaccination targets, which they say destroy their credibility with patients, and could contribute to a feared epidemic of measles.

In a deal introduced 12 years ago, GPs can earn £2,865 extra if 90 per cent of the children on their list are vaccinated or £955 if 70 per cent are vaccinated.

But since the controversy over the MMR triple jab, with many parents fearing that it can lead to bowel disease and autism, the doctors want a new payment system.

MMR vaccination levels have fallen to 84 per cent and as low as 73 per cent in some areas. GPs told the British Medical Association conference in Harrogate, North Yorks, that they should not be put in the position of bullying patients into having their children vaccinated.

Dr Richard Vautry, a Leeds GP, said that two weeks ago he had sat in his surgery with his son waiting for his booster injection of MMR. "I was there to ensure that my son had the best possible protection against measles mumps and rubella and I believe that MMR is the best way to protect our children from these dreadful diseases.

"However, yesterday I met with one of my one patients who is yet to be convinced. She is a sensible mum who wants nothing but the best for her child, but she still needs a little more time to think about whether she should bring her daughter for the MMR.

"She should be allowed that time. She shouldn't be pressured or bullied as a result of some diktat from a Whitehall civil servant."

Dr Vautry said that the target system failed in that situation. "Surely patients have a right to say no. Surely patients of young children have the right to make an informed decision and surely GPs should not be penalised as a result of the decisions their patients make." He said he refused to pressurise his patients however much money he might lose. "For if I did my patients would start to wonder whether my advice could be trusted as they could see that I have a vested interest in reaching a target."

The doctors also heard that there was an alternative to target payments which is being negotiated as part of the new GP contract.

Dr Hamish Meldrum, joint deputy chairman of the association's GPs' committee, said they had proposed a system of "informed dissent" in which an informed patient who decided against vaccination would not be included in a revised target list.

He said later that just as patients understood the idea of informed consent there should also be a system in which they could refuse treatment.

"Patients don't want to deprive their doctors of income because they don't want their child immunised. The majority of parents just want to exercise parental choice.

"I fully support MMR and I am convinced of its safety but I don't think I want the Government to make it mandatory.

He said that GPs were so convinced of the value of MMR that they would strive to have as few informed dissenters as possible.

Dr Joan Black, a GP from West Berkshire, told the conference that it was easy to understand a patient's fears.

"Target payments are an inappropriate way to run a service in a free society. Patients must be aware of a conflict of interest when their doctor stands to lose or gain a substantial sum of money depending on what the patient decides to do."

3 posted on 07/07/2002 3:20:38 PM PDT by PatriotReporter
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To: JmyBryan
Good question. Would also like to know the answer. I assume that if you have no other options, your best bet is to get vacinated against the known version and hope it carries over to the modified version. It would be better than doing nothing.
4 posted on 07/07/2002 3:21:50 PM PDT by Ol'Grey Head
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To: JmyBryan
They want to make it mandatory.
5 posted on 07/07/2002 3:22:09 PM PDT by PatriotReporter
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To: PatriotReporter
I see you're new- welcome.

I actually have quite a bit ( you have to hunt for it among the links, and use the "links within those links" ) about vaccination & biowarfare here:

Nuclear, Biological, & Chemical Warfare- Survival Skills, Pt. II

Feel free to copy, retransmit, or otherwise use anything you wish.

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backhoe

6 posted on 07/07/2002 3:22:32 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Ol'Grey Head
Since there's pretty good cross-immunity with different pox viruses --coxpox, monkeypox, smallpox, etc it seems that even if there are genetically altered smallpox, there'd be at least partial immunity with the current vaccine against them.
7 posted on 07/07/2002 3:23:52 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: PatriotReporter
As long as a large enough percentage of the population gets vaccinated voluntarily, there's no real need to make it mandatory. Few enough people will lack immunity that the disease will not spread.
8 posted on 07/07/2002 3:26:37 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: PatriotReporter
"...reported the federal government was planning to vaccinate 500,000 health care and emergency workers soon."

You don't suppose that would include members of Congress, do you? Their families? Girlfriends?

9 posted on 07/07/2002 3:27:05 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: PatriotReporter; bonesmccoy
I am flagging bonesmccoy here because I think him the most knowledgeable FReeper on this issue. I haven't heard much comment from him regarding the manner in which DynPort got the monopoly to produce the vaccine and their historical record of shady deals and faulty production, so perhaps he might wish to comment on the distinctions between the idea of mass vaccination and his opinion on the current status of its execution.
10 posted on 07/07/2002 3:27:23 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
I am flagging bonesmccoy here because I think him the most knowledgeable FReeper on this issue. I haven't heard much comment from him regarding the manner in which DynPort got the monopoly to produce the vaccine a

What are you talking about.

This is nutcase leftist conspiracy nonsense that is not ever needed but especially not needed now.

One, I doubt your facts.

Second, whatever accuracy there may be to your psychotic claims, it is like someone in WWII saying, A-Ha - those tank makers got a monopoly that's what it is all about.

You guys need to grow up and get a dose of reality quick or go play somewhere else.

11 posted on 07/07/2002 3:31:47 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Ol'Grey Head
Search engines accused of bias

By Nick Farrell [28-06-2002]

Google et al provide 'unsafe' advice on vaccination Information found by internet search engines is biased against the vaccination of children, according to a survey. A report published in the Archives of Disease in Childhood journal shows that the top 10 results from popular search site Google all referred to anti-vaccination sites.

Many of them purported to give both sides of the argument, but very few of them did, the BBC reported.

More than 55 per cent of adults with internet access use the web for health information, and some doctors are concerned that official sites run by governments or expert groups have equal status with those set up by people with no medical qualifications.

Researchers from the University of Sydney typed the words 'vaccination' and 'immunisation' into seven search engines, including Google, Yahoo, Lycos and Altavista.

In total, 43 per cent of the links led to anti-vaccination sites, including what the researchers described as "quasi-official" sites with referenced material from medical journals.

Others were personal testimonies, 'back to nature' appeals and sites alleging cover-ups and conspiracies involving doctors, governments and pharmaceutical companies.

Lead researcher Professor Simon Chapman told the BBC: "Many of them referred to the medical literature, but not in a way which was coherent or comprehensive."

He explained that the most disturbing aspect is that a parent going to the web to search out information is going to have a very high probability of arriving at such a site.

"They look authoritative and they have a lot of information, but many of them are really very irresponsible," concluded the professor.

12 posted on 07/07/2002 3:32:48 PM PDT by PatriotReporter
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To: First_Salute; SLB
Ping FYI !
13 posted on 07/07/2002 3:37:15 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: PatriotReporter
They are going to vaccinate the healthcare workers so they can stand near us and watch us die. Please dear Lord at least let my children have the vaccination. You can bet your ass our ruling class will get vaccinated family and all as well as all law inforcement personell.
14 posted on 07/07/2002 3:38:36 PM PDT by shirleyvalentine
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To: PatriotReporter
Health insurance and HMOs be damned!

Let's say you had the money...whatever the cost, to get vaccinated right now.

Who should one contact? Does anyone have a phone number or website?

15 posted on 07/07/2002 3:41:20 PM PDT by DCPatriot
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I have always been a little dubious of the Smallpox threat. It seems to me that it would backfire and wipe out 3rd world cultures (Arabs, Africa, etc) more than it hit Americans, due to our ability to vaccinate, our population already having at least some resistance, and our medical infrastructure to be able to deal with an outbreak. Very much a double edged sword, IMHO.
16 posted on 07/07/2002 3:41:46 PM PDT by GaltMeister
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To: Savage Beast
Befor its over the U.N ,N.G.O ,Goverment will want to give vaccination to all of the children

just set back and Watch how it done first the report, next the Media ,Tv, news,newspappers

17 posted on 07/07/2002 3:42:07 PM PDT by PatriotReporter
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To: shirleyvalentine
I *think* I was vaccinated for Smallpox upon entering the military in 1988, although not sure, I do know they continued vaccination in the .mil long after ceasing in the civvie world.

Initially in the post 9/11 confusion, the CDC and other experts stated that the side effects were too dangerous -- anywhere from 1 to 6 people per million vaccinated could die..

18 posted on 07/07/2002 3:44:36 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: backhoe
One of every dozen U.S. children and teenagers -- 5.2 million -- has a physical or mental disability, according to new figures from the 2000 Census that reflect sharp growth in the nation's young handicapped population over the past decade.
19 posted on 07/07/2002 3:46:57 PM PDT by PatriotReporter
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To: Freedom4US
Bombing the Mind - The Pentagon's Program for Psychopharmalogical Warfare

I don't kown if you will like this one?

20 posted on 07/07/2002 3:52:27 PM PDT by PatriotReporter
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