Posted on 07/07/2002 11:24:26 AM PDT by Keyes For President
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
The Bush administration has approved the first federally funded project using stem cells obtained from fetuses aborted up to eight weeks after conception, expanding the scientific promise of stem cell research and complicating the ethics debate that surrounds it.
(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...
He can legally prevent stem cell research; but, he cannot realistically do so. The Dems would get enough Repub votes for an override once the folks back home started squealing. This is a no-winner for Bush.
What "selective posting"? So you're implying that I am dishonest for posting a link to an article that was on the front page of this morning's Chicago Tribune? Don't you think the funding of fetal stem cell research is worth discussion? Gee, I always thought that's what this website was for. I guess you would prefer a website containing nothing but "Day In The Life Of..." threads.
How much, in dollars, does said bill appropriate for stem cell research?
But were we not raising hell about Clinton's EOs?
So what is going on?
Bush couldn't- didn't do nothing about them. So now he can't?
this bears repeating! alan, you always cut through the bs and get right to the crux!
Yes, we need to stay here and everyone can be HAPPY!!!
There was nothing deceptive in his posting. If you are going to pick a fight, at least let it be a legitimate one.
I'll bet most pro-life people didn't even know this law was on the books -- I know I didn't. I'm glad I posted this article. Thanks, deport, for digging this up.
I should have said overturn this law, not bill.
If Bush was a real "born-again" he would move heaven and earth to stop this abomination. He could have vetoed the law, but he didn't.
First off, here is what you stated: "Ummmm, President Bush cannot "present a bill" to Congress or anyone else. He is the Chief Executive and cannot create a bill because that's the job of the legislature. Didja ever take a civics class?-- You know-- 3 branches of government, each with seperate powers because that's the way the founding fathers created the government in the Constitution. Here in Texas, kids study those facts in 7th grade."
When you make an erroneous statement like that publically on this forum, I have a legitimate right to respond to this post of yours.
Here is what I stated back: "Of course the initial step in the legislative process is the authorship of a bill and its introduction into Congress. Although only a member of Congress can formally introduce a bill, proposals for new laws come from many different sources, which include individual citizens, special-interest groups, newspaper editorials, congressional committees, and yes, even the Executive Branch.
You stated that the Chief Executive, who would be President Bush, could not create a bill, because "that is the job of the legislature" Clara Lou, anyone, including private citizens may write a bill, and that is why I responded in the appropriate manner to your post.
I then concluded my post with an appropriate clincher statement: "While it is true that the fetal stem cell rules were inducted during the Clinton Administration, that does not exuse President Bush from taking his case against this directly to the American people. Change does not come by means of apathetic leaders, unfortunately."
Looking back at my previous post, I then concluded that I should further articulate my point that anyone may write a bill and introduce it to their legislators, which is contrary to what you had stated in post #148.
I stated: "Speaking about a know it all attitude, a concerned and informed private citizen may suggest bills to their legislators, or they may study the legal format of various bills and actually submit the text of a proposed law to their representative or senators for introduction into Congress. A individual citizen can consult publications such as the daily Congressional Record for help in writing a bill. This publication and the Congressional Quarterly Weekly Report are also quite helpful as to the current legislative activities of Congress. Just for your information."
My response to your inaccurate post was completely appropriate. Remember, you stated in post #148: "He is the Chief Executive and cannot create a bill because that's the job of the legislature. Didja ever take a civics class?"
Again, my response to you was completely appropriate, given your inaccurate statement in post #148. Then you stated to me: "Bwa hahahaha!! You just can't resist, can you? (It must be genetic.) More know-it-all-and-off-topic information from FIJC. If you have nothing to say that's on topic, you bring up something that's tangential to the topic. The whole point of my discussion with the other poster was that the President of the United States cannot "introduce a bill." What an individual citizen can do was not part of the topic. You are so regularly pathetic-- "I'm a such a smawt wittew giwl-- see what I know?"-- and in front of an audience of thousands. BTW, you never did answer my question: Is your know-it-all condition genetic or behavioral? There are already two votes for genetic."
You curiously failed to remember you stated that the President could not write a bill, when he in fact can, anyone can do this.
You then accused me of being off the topic, when I was merely responding to an erroneous statement in one of your posts. Then you feel that you can ask me if my knowledge is genetic or a product of enculturation, and not consider it to be off the topic? I am not the one off the topic here, at least I have the dignity to not lob personal attacks at you.
That's not how it works. There should be an effort made, however, to have this law changed and hopefully our pro-life elected officials will attempt to do just that.
Ditto on that one. What people here seem to forget however, is that President Bush and his staff can still write a bill or write a proposal for a bill against this fetal research. The only Constitutional limitation on Bush's part is that he could not introduce this bill in Congress, but I am sure that there would be many pro-life Congressman who would be willing to do this.
To: marajadeYeah, everything is Clinton's fault.
I believe the funding in which the grant in this article is referring to was Clinton's budget...
LOL, carenot.
A good, relevent question for everyone to think about.
When does President Bush get to make a decision on his own?
When does Bush stop being Clinton's last victim?
Care to answer, marajade?
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