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What if It's All Been a Big Fat Lie?
The New York Times Magazine ^ | 07/07/2002 | GARY TAUBES

Posted on 07/05/2002 5:34:43 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Dana113
Boy is this timely for me. I'm on day 2 of my Atkins and glad to see this. I absolutely cannot lose weight eating carbs. Happy to hear about your great results!
41 posted on 07/05/2002 7:03:11 PM PDT by Aria
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To: tojywayne
Ping for a long but very interesting article.
42 posted on 07/05/2002 7:03:37 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: xJones
I won't die of obesity...

Roger that. I have told folks since I was 20 (43 now) that I won't live to be 50. I work too many hours and drive too fast to be worried about fat and cholesterol.

43 posted on 07/05/2002 7:04:35 PM PDT by NerdDad
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To: The Electrician
I briefly touched upon it in my mention of potatoes. I am aware of the glycemic index and have ALWAYS been aware of simple and complex carbohydrates.

As you can tell, I am rather long-winded so I did not want to focus on one subject or you would all either go insane or ignore me. If one trains very hard, the first 30 90 minutes is called a "Glyceminc window." That means simple carbs or any carbs high on the glycemic index are utilized more easily then other carbs for energy.

Also, if one is a well trained person, thier metabolism is higher so they can handle the spike with ease. You CAN mix potatoes with legumes or other foods with a low glycemic index rating to lower the spike. I suggest 50-100(Depending on the size of the athlete or trainee.) grams of ANY carbs immediately after training and 25-50 grams of protein(Again depending on body weight.) with a small amount of fat.

I have more suggestions. The above was more to a strength athlete such as a bodybuilder or fighter. Endurance athletes actually consume MORE carbs and they are the skinniest of the bunch. Pathetically skinny if you ask me but I still respect them.

What I have stated is FACT, if everyone wants to do something different, thats fine. Body Builders lower thier carbs before contest and weight lifters do not. What I am trying to say is this is NOT a debate as to who is correct. The answer is already known and I cant help it if people will not listen. Notice how I said, form follows function and different athletes require different diets.

44 posted on 07/05/2002 7:05:02 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Senator Pardek
You could never do that on the Atkins Diet...

Nope, there are lot of us out there who do! What is amazing to me is that there are folks who actually get ANGRY when they are told about how successful this diet is! How puzzling to see all these hostile responses.

Here is one website of a weighttrainer who is low carb who does a good job of explaining the many myths about carbs and weightraining. http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html

45 posted on 07/05/2002 7:05:51 PM PDT by Dana113
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To: Senator Pardek
Nor would I do it following your dietary advice. To build muscle you need to follow a diet that is a LOT closer to Adkins than the food pyramid.

I have a feeling that you'd proably agree that most people in this great country are fat because they eat too damn much food of all kinds (protein, fats and carbs) for their activity level.

46 posted on 07/05/2002 7:06:14 PM PDT by Skip Ripley
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To: Dana113
I love protein. I was speaking relatively long-short term like a few days.

If you weight lift and do not eat carbs you will feel depleted. Anaerobic exercise does not tap into fat stores, aerobic exercise does.

Weight lifting will raise the bodies metabolism over time but not in the short term.

That is not nonsense, but scientific fact.

47 posted on 07/05/2002 7:09:00 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Pokey78
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48 posted on 07/05/2002 7:09:59 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Skip Ripley
Nor would I do it following your dietary advice. To build muscle you need to follow a diet that is a LOT closer to Adkins than the food pyramid.

The only dietary advice I gave was to lower fat intake (not eliminate it - make it 20% of one's caloric intake). That's a far cry from Atkins.

49 posted on 07/05/2002 7:11:47 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Skip Ripley
I also stated that fat was one of the three macro-nutrients neccesary for health.

I thought my posts were long enough to include that... which they did.

50 posted on 07/05/2002 7:11:58 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Arioch7
That is bullsh*t! Weight training = muscle. Muscle is active tissue. It burns fat just by sitting there on your body. Therefore, adding muscle will most certainly raise your metabolism for as long as you keep the muscle.

If you know of a way to add muscle without lifting weights, please share....

51 posted on 07/05/2002 7:12:04 PM PDT by Skip Ripley
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To: Senator Pardek
Everyone wants a quick fix - "I can eat a pound of bacon for breakfast, as long as I don't eat a slice of bread? Cool!" The Atkins diet is for sluggards who are more concerned about their appearance than their health.

Pardek, Being slim instead of fat *IS* a health issue. [and yes, I do look damn good!Nothing wrong with that!] Obesity is very unhealthy. Not only that, but healthy cholesterol levels reduce your risk of heart disease. That is exactly what this diet achieves. On the other hand, junk food diets [sugar and bread] are directly linked to obesity, cancer and heart disease. I am willing to bet you have had more junk food in the past 24 hours that I have had in the past 3.5 years.

52 posted on 07/05/2002 7:13:02 PM PDT by Dana113
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To: Dana113
How puzzling to see all these hostile responses.

LOL - I'm not getting hostile. Every person I've known who's done the Atkins thing has lost weight. Fine. But the healthful key to losing weight is to build muscle and engage in aerobic activity. Atkins is a quick fix - few who do it also exercise.

53 posted on 07/05/2002 7:14:56 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
LOL! I hear that. I remember a few years ago when Vince McMahon(SP?) started a body building league to rival the IFFB. They used the Atkins diet. LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL!

Look at Dorian Yates and then look at Vince's athletes... oh wait, they were too much of a joke to ever make it so they are gone now.

If they want to talk bodybuilding then most of the top people agree with me and even though they are steroid freaks they still eat like we suggest.

54 posted on 07/05/2002 7:15:04 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Skip Ripley
I'm sorry, I clipped some of my above response. Weight training will raise your metabolism in the short and long term. If you engage in a hearty 45 minute or so session of weight training, you will see short term metabolic changes as well as long term.
55 posted on 07/05/2002 7:15:36 PM PDT by Skip Ripley
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To: NerdDad
Roger that. I have told folks since I was 20 (43 now) that I won't live to be 50.

DON'T SAY THAT! Do you want to die? If you have kids, NerdDad, try to stay around.

56 posted on 07/05/2002 7:17:03 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Arioch7
I love protein. I was speaking relatively long-short term like a few days. If you weight lift and do not eat carbs you will feel depleted. Anaerobic exercise does not tap into fat stores, aerobic exercise does.

Yes, I am speaking about BOTH anarobic and aerobic exercise and would again ask you what you do when your 20 minute store of glycogen is used up when weight training.

I don't understand your first statement because it seems to contradict. Is that what you meant to say?

57 posted on 07/05/2002 7:17:11 PM PDT by Dana113
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To: Skip Ripley
OK, I will keep it simple since you have too much muscle in your brain. I SAID that having a lot of muscle mass would raise your metabolism. I SAID THAT!!! Did you even read my post?

Anaerobic exercise DOES NOT DIRECTLY BURN FAT. AEROBIC EXERCISE DOES!!!

I could go in to further detail if you want but be aware that I STATED THAT EXTRA LEAN MUSCLE MASS MADE YOUR METABOLIM HIGHER. Ok?

58 posted on 07/05/2002 7:18:12 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: Pokey78
I think the key is to eat lots of fresh fruits and vegetables. In Ukraine, people eat slabs of raw fatback (salo) with bread for lunch. They routinely live to ripe old ages in good health. However, they also have gardens and eat fresh fruits and vegetables.
59 posted on 07/05/2002 7:18:48 PM PDT by OK
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To: Arioch7
They didn't use the Atkins diet in the WBF. They used a variant from Mauro DePasquale. They also drug tested their athletes. If you take a guy who's trained on the gear for years and suddenly pull him off it, he's going to look like hell no matter what you feed him.

To comapre a drug tested bodybuilder to Dorian Yates is dishonest and just plain wrong.

60 posted on 07/05/2002 7:18:54 PM PDT by Skip Ripley
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