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The "separation of church and state" myth
Jewish World Review ^ | 7/3/02 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 07/03/2002 2:44:48 PM PDT by rhema

[Jewish Law prohibits the writing of the Creator's name out in full. The spelling below is not intended to be disrespectful, particulary given this column's topic --- editor.]

As soon as the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals handed down its decision on the Pledge of Allegiance last week, the e-mails started pouring into my mailbox. Most railed against the idea that a couple of judges on "the Left Coast," as one person put it, could strike down the words "under G-d," which Congress added to the pledge in 1954. But a few, mostly from readers of my column, suggested that if I didn't like the decision, maybe I should try thinking about how I'd feel if Congress had inserted the words "under no G-d" instead -- a sentiment echoed by the Ninth Circuit. In order to protect religious liberty, they implied, we have to make sure government divorces itself from any expression of religious belief.

"Why did the Founding Fathers, a group of basically conservative, property- owning religious men find it necessary at all to put the separation of Church and State into the Constitution, if not because of the persecution suffered in the lands they left from those who felt that only they knew the truth?" wrote one of my interlocutors.

Good question, because it exposes one of the most widely held myths in modern America.

Ask most Americans what the First Amendment says about religion, and you'll get the standard reply (if you're lucky enough to get any answer at all) that it guarantees the separation of church and state.

It says no such thing, of course. What it says is careful and precise: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

The First Amendment guarantees the freedom of religion, not from religion.

The Founders understood that religious belief was not incidental to the American experiment in liberty but was the foundation on which it was built. The whole idea that individuals were entitled to liberty rests on the Judeo-Christian conception of man. When the colonists rebelled against their king -- an action that risked their very lives -- they did so with the belief that they were answering to a higher law than the king's. They were emboldened by "the laws of nature and nature's G-d," in Thomas Jefferson's memorable phrase to declare their independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights," he wrote.

It is impossible to overstate how important the Judeo-Christian tradition was IN guiding the Founders' deliberations. Yet, in recent years, we've virtually ignored this aspect of our history.

As scholar Michael Novak points out in his excellent little book "On Two Wings: Humble Faith and Common Sense at the American Founding," "Professor Donald Lutz counted 3,154 citations in the writings of the founders; of these nearly 1,100 references (34 percent) are to the Bible, and about 300 each to Montesquieu and Blackstone, followed at considerable distance by Locke and Hume and Plutarch."

Perhaps the most eloquent argument on behalf of the role of religion in preserving our democracy was George Washington, who cautioned in his Farewell Address on Sept. 19, 1794, that virtue and morality were necessary to popular government.

"And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion" he said. "Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

The Constitutional Convention of 1787 opened with a prayer, as does each session of Congress today. The motto "In G-d We Trust" is on our currency, and similar expressions adorn public buildings across the Nation. Even the U.S. Supreme Court, which has been the locus of so much recent confusion on the First Amendment, begins its proceedings with the phrase "G-d save the United States and this honorable court."

Perhaps our plea should be "G-d save us from the courts."

As Jefferson, perhaps the least devout of our Founders, once said to the Rev. Ethan Allen, as recorded in Allen's diary now in the Library of Congress, and quoted by Michael Novak: "No nation has ever yet existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be."

Let us hope the Supreme Court in reviewing the Ninth Circuit's opinion does not insist on testing whether Jefferson was right.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: firstamendment; foundingfathers
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1 posted on 07/03/2002 2:44:48 PM PDT by rhema
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To: BibChr; logos
BUMP
2 posted on 07/03/2002 2:45:25 PM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema
Good post.
3 posted on 07/03/2002 2:47:20 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: rhema; OldFriend
Thanks for posting!
4 posted on 07/03/2002 2:49:54 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: rhema
But the pledge was written, accepted and recited WITHOUT Under God in the first place.

"No nation has ever yet existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be."

Note here that he did not say governed BY religion. There is a big difference.

The Government MUST stay neutral in this matter and keep the two issues of religion and government completely separate.

5 posted on 07/03/2002 2:54:24 PM PDT by Violette
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To: rhema
"Jewish Law prohibits the writing of the Creator's name out in full. The spelling below is not intended to be disrespectful, particulary given this column's topic --- editor"

Respectfully... the spelling "G-d" is really just a decriptive term not actually a name. What is the reasoning behind not using the "o"?

6 posted on 07/03/2002 3:09:09 PM PDT by ez2muz
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To: rhema
"The motto "In G-d We Trust" is on our currency..."

To all those who demand freedom FROM religion, I am here to confiscate all your money since the 9th Circuit just ruled it unconstitutional.

7 posted on 07/03/2002 3:15:22 PM PDT by Boss_Jim_Gettys
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To: Violette
Such subtle distinctions escape Liberal chuckleheads. I am quite glad the 9th district attempted to make this abominable ruling. It has reaffirmed God in a big way in the hearts and minds of America.

The line has been drawn, America has spoken, and the message is – America has been, is, and always will be, One Nation, Under God.

8 posted on 07/03/2002 3:19:46 PM PDT by Search4Truth
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To: rhema
Bump - Good Post
9 posted on 07/03/2002 3:33:19 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: rhema
The First Amendment guarantees the freedom of religion, not from religion.

Nuff said.

10 posted on 07/03/2002 3:34:32 PM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Boss_Jim_Gettys
LOL can we share??? LOL
11 posted on 07/03/2002 4:22:38 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: rhema
“Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure, when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?”- Thomas Jefferson
12 posted on 07/03/2002 4:26:49 PM PDT by Kay Soze
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To: Violette; Houmatt; CyberCowboy777; Boss_Jim_Gettys; PhiKapMom; jwalsh07; Kay Soze
Note here that he did not say governed BY religion. There is a big difference.

The Government MUST stay neutral in this matter and keep the two issues of religion and government completely separate.

David Barton's thoughtful article The Separation of Church and State casts a better light on Jefferson's intent, I think.

. . .Thomas Jefferson had no intention of allowing the government to limit, restrict, regulate, or interfere with public religious practices. He believed, along with the other Founders, that the First Amendment had been enacted only to prevent the federal establishment of a national denomination-a fact he made clear in a letter to fellow-signer of the Declaration of Independence Benjamin Rush:

[T]he clause of the Constitution which, while it secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States; and as every sect believes its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his own, but especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists. The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes and they believe that any portion of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly. 8

Jefferson had committed himself as President to pursuing the purpose of the First Amendment: preventing the “establishment of a particular form of Christianity” by the Episcopalians, Congregationalists, or any other denomination.

Since this was Jefferson’s view concerning religious expression, in his short and polite reply to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802, he assured them that they need not fear; that the free exercise of religion would never be interfered with by the federal government. As he explained:

Gentlemen,-The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association give me the highest satisfaction. . . . Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties. I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association assurances of my high respect and esteem. 9

Jefferson’s reference to “natural rights” invoked an important legal phrase which was part of the rhetoric of that day and which reaffirmed his belief that religious liberties were inalienable rights. While the phrase “natural rights” communicated much to people then, to most citizens today those words mean little.

By definition, “natural rights” included “that which the Books of the Law and the Gospel do contain.” 10 That is, “natural rights” incorporated what God Himself had guaranteed to man in the Scriptures. Thus, when Jefferson assured the Baptists that by following their “natural rights” they would violate no social duty, he was affirming to them that the free exercise of religion was their inalienable God-given right and therefore was protected from federal regulation or interference.

So clearly did Jefferson understand the Source of America’s inalienable rights that he even doubted whether America could survive if we ever lost that knowledge. He queried:

And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have lost the only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? 11

Jefferson believed that God, not government, was the Author and Source of our rights and that the government, therefore, was to be prevented from interference with those rights. Very simply, the “fence” of the Webster letter and the “wall” of the Danbury letter were not to limit religious activities in public; rather they were to limit the power of the government to prohibit or interfere with those expressions.

8. Jefferson, Writings, Vol. III, p. 441, to Benjamin Rush on September 23, 1800.

9. Jefferson, Writings, Vol. XVI, pp. 281-282, to the Danbury Baptist Association on January 1, 1802.

10. Richard Hooker, The Works of Richard Hooker (Oxford: University Press, 1845), Vol. I, p. 207.

11. Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia (Philadelphia: Matthew Carey, 1794), Query XVIII, p. 237.

13 posted on 07/03/2002 4:40:46 PM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema
Very true. We must remember some Kings still fought/sought 'buy-in' on the Divine Right of Kings. God-King-people. Our founders believed the reverse God-people-government. We got our rights from God.

Thanks for posting that.

14 posted on 07/03/2002 4:48:24 PM PDT by madison46
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Thank God bump...
15 posted on 07/03/2002 5:46:20 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: rhema; Violette; Search4Truth
Rhema, the first ammendment doesnt guarantee freedom of religion or freedom from religion. It guarantees that Congress(the subject of the sentence) shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. That is to say that congress shall not pass a law establishing a state church or prohibiting another church from acting within the state. Thats all it says. It doesnt say anything about the actions of the people as individuals or the actions of the separate States.

Violette, you cant keep religion and government completely separate unless you restrict government jobs to those that hold no religion. Then you have state sponsored atheism.

searchfortruth, the pledge was originally written by a socialist, uitarian for the purpose of brainwashing Americans(particularly children) into believing that the union was indivisible and that the unjust war the north had waged on the South was right. In truth, our nation is not indivisible. We were not one nation from 1861 to 1865. We were at least two and thats not to count the indian nations. I dont say the pledge, because claiming that the nation is indivisible is a delusional lie. "Under God" was the only good part of the pledge.

The problem that we're having in the courts is not from our government trying to establish or eliminate religion. The problem is socialism. What we should be crying out against is government schools, not pledges.
16 posted on 07/03/2002 6:06:03 PM PDT by doryfunk
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To: doryfunk
"What we should be crying out against is government schools"

Amen to that!

"CA School District Forces 7th Graders to 'become
Muslims' for Three Weeks"

http://www.thomasmore.org/inde x.cfm?location=5&subsectio nid=1&PageID=1&release =136

--> From the above press release: "This is unbelievable.
While public schools prohibit Christian students from
reading the Bible, praying, displaying the Ten
Commandments, and even mentioning the word 'God',
students in California are being indoctrinated into
the religion of Islam. Public schools would never
tolerate teaching Christianity in this way. Just
imagine the ACLU's outcry if students were told that
they had to pray the Lords Prayer, memorize the Ten
Commandments, use such phrases as 'Jesus is the Messiah,'
and fast during Lent."


17 posted on 07/03/2002 6:58:23 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: rhema
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.

Every time I hear some less than knowledgable person spout the "right of separation of church and state that's in the Constitution", I think of this quote and how it is not even in the Constitution. It is amazing how many people really think it's smack dab in there. And that includes lawyers who don't know it's not there.

18 posted on 07/03/2002 9:16:29 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: doryfunk
The pledge was originally written and accepted without "Under God" for over 50 years. The Congress had no business changing it. And if they could put it in then they can remove it. If it was constitutional to add it, it's constitutional to remove it.
19 posted on 07/04/2002 9:18:09 AM PDT by Violette
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To: rhema
[Jewish Law flatly contradicts the practice and direct exhortations of the Torah itself in that it prohibits the writing of the Creator's name "Yahweh," or even generic TITLE "God" out in full — though, almost pathologically, we do write theophoric elements such as DaniEL and IsaIAH out. The spelling below is not intended to be disrespectful, particulary given this column's topic --- editor (with BibChr's additions in bold).]

Still find I can't read a writer who can't simply write "G-O-D," but thanks for thinking of me. And thanks for the opportunity to give a honk for BIBLICAL thinking again!

Dan

20 posted on 07/04/2002 9:26:26 AM PDT by BibChr
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