[rhema]

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[jwalsh07]

Good post.

[PhiKapMom]

Thanks for posting!

[Violette]

But the pledge was written, accepted and recited WITHOUT Under God in the first place.

"No nation has ever yet existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be."

Note here that he did not say governed BY religion. There is a big difference.

The Government MUST stay neutral in this matter and keep the two issues of religion and government completely separate.

[ez2muz]

"Jewish Law prohibits the writing of the Creator's name out in full. The spelling below is not intended to be disrespectful, particulary given this column's topic --- editor"

Respectfully... the spelling "G-d" is really just a decriptive term not actually a name. What is the reasoning behind not using the "o"?

[Boss_Jim_Gettys]

"The motto "In G-d We Trust" is on our currency..."

To all those who demand freedom FROM religion, I am here to confiscate all your money since the 9th Circuit just ruled it unconstitutional.

[CyberCowboy777]

Bump - Good Post

[Houmatt]

The First Amendment guarantees the freedom of religion, not from religion.

Nuff said.

[Kay Soze]

“Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure, when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?”- Thomas Jefferson

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

Thank God bump...

[doryfunk]

Rhema, the first ammendment doesnt guarantee freedom of religion or freedom from religion. It guarantees that Congress(the subject of the sentence) shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. That is to say that congress shall not pass a law establishing a state church or prohibiting another church from acting within the state. Thats all it says. It doesnt say anything about the actions of the people as individuals or the actions of the separate States.

Violette, you cant keep religion and government completely separate unless you restrict government jobs to those that hold no religion. Then you have state sponsored atheism.

searchfortruth, the pledge was originally written by a socialist, uitarian for the purpose of brainwashing Americans(particularly children) into believing that the union was indivisible and that the unjust war the north had waged on the South was right. In truth, our nation is not indivisible. We were not one nation from 1861 to 1865. We were at least two and thats not to count the indian nations. I dont say the pledge, because claiming that the nation is indivisible is a delusional lie. "Under God" was the only good part of the pledge.

The problem that we're having in the courts is not from our government trying to establish or eliminate religion. The problem is socialism. What we should be crying out against is government schools, not pledges.

[BibChr]

[Jewish Law flatly contradicts the practice and direct exhortations of the Torah itself in that it prohibits the writing of the Creator's name "Yahweh," or even generic TITLE "God" out in full — though, almost pathologically, we do write theophoric elements such as DaniEL and IsaIAH out. The spelling below is not intended to be disrespectful, particulary given this column's topic --- editor (with BibChr's additions in bold).]

Still find I can't read a writer who can't simply write "G-O-D," but thanks for thinking of me. And thanks for the opportunity to give a honk for BIBLICAL thinking again!

Dan

[LarryLied]

[Jewish Law prohibits the writing of the Creator's name out in full. The spelling below is not intended to be disrespectful, particulary given this column's topic --- editor.]

This raises an interesting question. The JWR has every right, indeed must, adhere to the restrictions of the faith of the publisher. But what about standard usage? Are the words of the columnists who appear changed by or at the request editor? I don't know Linda Chavez's faith. Is she accommodating voluntarily the sensibilities of the publish of the JWR? Or is she, if this column appears as is elsewhere, giving up the traditional way those of her faith write the word of the Creator in order not to offend a minority?