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AB 1058 Anti-SUV bill clone passes in CA
Hegh Hewitt | 2002/07/01 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 07/01/2002 6:51:05 PM PDT by ZGuy

John Campbell (R) just announced on the Hugh Hewitt show that the democrats in Sacramento have pulled a fast one. Bill 1058 which has been written about on several posts originally failed. The democrats took a bill on Friday night which dealt with an unrelated subject and gutted out the language. They then inserted the exact language of 1058 and the senate passed it Friday. This (Monday) afternoon the house got the bill. The democrats had to hold a hearing and every office in the capital was available but they chose to hold the "hearings" in the smallest office in the building - the only one which had no TV cameras, no radio, no cameras, and no space for reporters or the public to attend. They then passed a vote making this bill exempt from the 3-day waiting period required by law for public input. The democrats just passed the bill in the last 45 minutes and it now goes to the governor's desk. No republicans voted for the bill in either chamber. One highlight - (Dennis?) Cardoza - the democrat running for Condit's seat voted for the bill in the central valley. He's toast.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: 1058; autoshop; carbondioxide; landgrab; libertarians; suvs
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To: ZGuy
I generally hate SUV's, for various reasons, which I wont go into here. Having said that, these laws are STUPID, and just plain wrong.. The do-gooders never cease to amaze me.
201 posted on 07/02/2002 10:11:55 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
HEY!

No dissin' Jack Russell Terriers! :-)

FReegards,
Slings and Arrows

P.S. The anti-SUV bill stinks.

202 posted on 07/02/2002 11:11:28 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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To: Timesink
I don't know. I guess it's possible that these actions could even piss off California democrat voters, so maybe they're trying not to harp on it? ~shrug~
203 posted on 07/02/2002 11:19:57 AM PDT by lainie
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To: SCalGal
We'll take our chances, lol. It's like having a totally freedom loving body with an infected communist leg. If you can't cure it, ya gotta amputate.
204 posted on 07/02/2002 12:02:45 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: JustSayNoNWO
SUV's are totally selfish and evil in the liberal dem's eyes

I remember the story of a leftist wacko leaving an Earth Day demonstration, piling into his 1970s-vintage VW beetle, cranking the car up, and driving off as the V-Dub belched a noxious cloud of exhaust.

205 posted on 07/02/2002 12:17:56 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: ibbryn
We tried the referendum with our Assualt Weapon Ban and couldn't get the needed signatures. Most people don't know/care. I'd really like a state with a lot lower population. Less people, less twits.

Gun control bills only face intense opposition from gun owners. And gun manufacturers and gun shops don't have enough money to fund a referendum.

But this legislation draws opposition from many big-money sources, such as vehicle manufacturers, trucking interests, auto dealers, many unions, chambers of commerce, etc., etc. They can afford to hire the political consultants and pay for the signatures to force a referendum. All it takes is money, and they'll either pay a little now or they'll pay much more (by about three orders of magnitude) later.

206 posted on 07/02/2002 12:19:09 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: Chemist_Geek
Unfortunately, California's real close to being a write-off for the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave...

By who? Some Geek from Michigan?

207 posted on 07/02/2002 12:20:55 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
giving Cookafornia back to Mexico or praying for the big earthquake

Pray for a big earthquake in California? Get your head out of your a$$. Your beating your gums from a state that made a total historical mockery of our presidential elections, an embarrasment that lasted weeks on national news, and place where terrorist seem to hang out in. That nasty humidity in Florida has shorted out your brain. There are 30 some million people in California, mr. nuke. You think we are all Hollywood socialist screw worms?

Remember hurricane Andrew, Chucko? We sent $100 that we really didn't have, for aid to those that were hurting in Florida. People like you that would sell off or give away or wish for harm to other American's need to be put in your place.

Run along junior before I get nasty.

208 posted on 07/02/2002 12:38:30 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham; oyez; okie01; Squantos; Nuke'm Glowing; BJungNan; JRandomFreeper; Paul Atreides; ..
WOW, my comment, "Sounds ok to me. But, then, SUVs are on my list of 'Things that don't need to be.'" seems to have hit a real sensitive nerve. 13 replies to my post. Well, 14 if you include Mad_Tom's double post.

So now we come to this: you have the perfect right to drive any kind of vehicle you want. At the same time, I have the right to have a list of things I (repeat, I) think don't need to be. And, thank God, I have just as much right to have my list as you have to drive your vehicle, whatever it may be.

Here are some other things I don't think need to be:
Income redistribution schemes
Democrats (not the people specifically, but what they stand for)
Cells phone that allow you to talk on them while you're supposedly driving
Bureaucrats (any make or model)
Foreign aid
Abortions
Gun control

Any questions?

209 posted on 07/02/2002 12:52:54 PM PDT by upchuck
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To: dpwiener; Brad's Gramma; ibbryn
So given enough money (which should be available from all the organizations lined up against it), some good political consultants, and a quick enough reaction time, it is possible to force it onto the ballot and then defeat it.

I concur, This issue is a bigger slam dunk than Prop 22(prohibiting legal unions betwix the sexually confused)

As for the timing, the window for Nov 2002 is closed, me thinks it closes 6 months before an election.

If "Gay" Davis signs AB 1493, look for an counter-prop in March -or- Nov 2004.
the new law would start biting in 2005.

210 posted on 07/02/2002 12:54:04 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter
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To: spectre
The people who illegally roll back odometers will soon be doing a booming business!
211 posted on 07/02/2002 1:00:41 PM PDT by Schatze
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To: Joe Hadenuf
By who? Some Geek from Michigan?

Amongst others. Hey, I wouldn't want to have to face the battles y'all California conservatives and libertarians have to fight. You've got my respect, but it's kind of like the Charge of the Light Brigade out there...

212 posted on 07/02/2002 1:27:53 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: TeleStraightShooter
As for the timing, the window for Nov 2002 is closed, me thinks it closes 6 months before an election.

That's not entirely true. I'm still researching the situation, but Article 2, Section 9(c) of the California Constitution requires that "The Secretary of State shall then submit the measure at the next general election held at least 31 days after it qualifies or at a special statewide election held prior to that general election."

So if the petitioning was really rushed (which is extra expensive), and the signatures were submitted sometime in August rather than using the entire 90 days that are allowed, there would be time for County Registrars to finish validating the signatures (on a sampling basis) by 31 days before the November 2002 election. In that case it still might appear on this year's ballot. That in turn would be very painful (in my opinion) for Governor Davis.

213 posted on 07/02/2002 1:49:42 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: upchuck
Clears it up for me .......I thought you made that stupid comment by mistake.
214 posted on 07/02/2002 2:16:23 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: Schatze
Has anyone thought that maybe this has been very carefully orchestrated by Greyout Davis to provide him with an opportunity to veto this piece of shit in order to regain momentum in the election? He is getting his butt kicked right now and you know the Enviro-Nazis will cut him slack in order to keep their leader in power.
215 posted on 07/02/2002 2:40:36 PM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: Chemist_Geek
"I've noted above that rural SUV drivers are, in my observations, more considerate drivers than urban SUV drivers."

Urban SUV drivers are also far more likely to be card-carrying enviro-whackos of a liberal persuasion.

There might be a connection...

216 posted on 07/02/2002 2:56:16 PM PDT by okie01
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To: upchuck
No offense but duh, of course cell phones are all useable while driving. If not they wouldn't also be useable while lounging on park benches or sitting at desks. ..or in passenger seats.

If cell phones are outlawed only outlaws will use cell phones. Can't have it both ways, sorry.

217 posted on 07/02/2002 3:07:47 PM PDT by lainie
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To: Joe Hadenuf
You think we are all Hollywood socialist screw worms?
Well apparently the majority of Californians must be... otherwise why do they keep electing these liberal scumbags to office?

No offense to yourself Joe, I agree with alot of your stances but the reputation that California has achieved for itself was created solely by Californians and nobody else.

Let's see, in the last few days out of California comes this Pledge mess, the bullet tax and now this SUV ban... Sorry but I think California is a lost cause...
218 posted on 07/02/2002 3:10:47 PM PDT by RebelDawg
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To: upchuck
I agree with your list except for the cell phones and SUVs where do they fit in?
219 posted on 07/02/2002 3:13:18 PM PDT by RebelDawg
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To: ZGuy
KFI 640 AM LA RADIO WILL HAVE THE PRESS SECRETARY FOR GREY DAVIS ON IN MINUTES....
220 posted on 07/02/2002 5:27:30 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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