Jim Quinn interview David Shippers and Janya Davis concerning OKC terrorist connection(6/27/02).

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[McGruff]

Yesterday (6/27/2002)Jim Quinn had an interview with David Shippers and Janya Davis concerning John Doe #2 OKC Middle eastern terrorist cover-up.

It's now available in his archives. Go to the link above and click on show archives and 6/27/2002. It’s available in multiple formats. Segment starts 1 hour and 30 mins into the broadcast.

It's definitely worth listening.

[Askel5]

That history helps. To be honest, I was a little put off by your hammering the A-rab thing post 9/11 given that it suited the government's purposes so well in shunting all blame to those wily third world proteges of the Former Soviets and fairweather friends of US intel agencies. (Regardless the fact that it only made McVeigh's execution all the more an egregiously hasty act and underscored an incompetence so severe it borders on malevolent neglect.)

I can't believe any Okie wouldn't suspect a Middle Eastern connection from the beginning. I sure did. As we all know, the petroleum industry has resulted in OKC's being particularly heavily populated with Iranians and other Middle Eastern nationals.

I can remember being dismayed -- visiting there one weekend and attending basketball finals and such my eighth-grade year -- when my good friend Cecelia Kennedy would mug and hold her nose and complain about all the "camel jockeys" at the mall.

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see replies #153, #156 and #153 and #161. Thanks.

[carenot]

I prefer to use words like incorrect, mistaken ,misled, misinformed rather than claiming that someone is lying as Davis friends have incorrectly (or mistakenly) said about me.

Nah, I call it lying. You should too.

If you are attacked fight the good fight!

[honway]

Nancie:You have been told it was not true about Jayna working for the government and you still say it.

OKCSub: Davis repeatedly told me she worked FOR a government official starting in 1997 to 2000

If I am reading it correctly Pat maintains he was told by Jayna that she was working for a government official and you maintain that Jayna has not worked for a government official. Nancie, can you see how you both could be absolutely correct here? If you have any evidence other than what Jayna has said that Pat has misled anyone on this forum, I would be very interested to read it.

[Nancie Drew]

Pat mentions an incident involving Jayna and Brad Edwards. Brad Edwards said that he has no idea what Pat is talking about. This backs up that Jayna said she has no idea what Pat is talking about.

[Nancie Drew]

See Reply #166

[honway]

Thanks for the reply.

[OKCSubmariner]

Jayna Davis refused to make the details of the Bodansky official prior warning notice public of the OKC bombing to the House from 1995 until 2001 even though I and many others urged her to do so (even though she would not tells the details). Bodansky told Davis not to make the memo details public becasue it was "too hot" (tring to protected government officails).

Davis was told by many for years and knew the importance of making the details public at the McVeigh trials (she knew that Jones wanted her her testify about the prior warning memo and was succesful through her attorney Jones attempt), at the OK County Grand jury and before the public for over five years and yet she did not go public witht he details. This was very wrong on Davis part in my opinion. ANd Bodasnky was wrong to keep the details from the public for over six years.

Why did Bodansky and Davis wait so long (six years) to go public? Waiting so long hurt the pulbics chances of having the FBI reformed before 9/11 and preventied the entire story of the OKC bombing and the FBIs and McVeighs complete roles from being known.

[OKCSubmariner]

My son David Briley was a witness present when Brad Edwards told me at KFORTV about Davis thefts from Edwards of my info on the Iraqis I had sent Edwards. My son was 19 years old at the time and a student at the University of Oklahoma. Davids still vividly recalls what Edwards told me in person about Davis at KFORTV.

The poster of reply #166 is mistaken about what Brad Edwards told me about Davis in front of my son in person. If Davis denies it, then it is regretable and if Edwards does not remember it is unfortunate. I have copies of what I sent Edwards still marked up the way they were sent to Edwards at KFORTV before Edwards says Davis stole them.

The poster should be very concerned that I am telling the truth about these matters. How is she going to feel when she finds out someday I was telling the truth and she was very incorrect? I pray that Jesus Christ will reveal to the poster that I am telling the truth despite Davis and Edwards saying that they do not know what I am talking about.

By the way, the phrase Pat Briley "does not know what he is talking about" has been repeated before by Schippers to my source very close to Schippers. Schippers (if the source is correct), like the poster of #166, are very incorrect. And a second source (very reliable) very close to Schippers now tells me Schippers admitted that Davis falsely denigrated me to Schippers. Could that be why Schippers and the poster of #166 incorrectly claim that I do not know what I am talking about? Has Davis also given incorrect denigrating statements about me to the poster of #166 like Davis did to Schippers??

[Nancie Drew]

Here is a run down of who all Jayna went to and when from Post #122. The wording in post #169 made it sound like she was not forthcoming with the Grand Jury. I have posted three times information on the grand jury.

This is where Jayna went to try to get people to listen:

January of 1997 – Oklahoma County D.A.’s office
1997-Grand Jury (another lie of OKCSubmariner is that she did not tell the Grand Jury about the prior warning-not true- she was totally upfront with them but who knows what the FBI said or the D.A.’s office said to contradict her. One of the assistant D.A.’s did contact Bodansky)
1997-FBI office
1999-FBI office
May, 2001-McVeigh’s defense team. McVeigh’s lawyers evidently do not want to pursue the information.
2000 and 2001-Nichols defense team (both state and federal)
Congress (both houses)

[Triple]

Why didn't Jayna go public with the prior-warning information until recently?

[OKCSubmariner]

See reply #170. Thanks.

[Nancie Drew]

I pulled this from another thread where I posted an expanded answer after talking with Brad Edwards:

One thing that has been revealed to me (OKCSubmariner is praying for me in another thread that the truth will be revealed to me) is that Brad Edwards has no idea what OKCSub is talking about when OKCSub made accusations about Jayna taking information off Brad's desk. I talked to him yesterday and read him what OKCSub had posted on another thread. I called him because OKCSub has said this in the past, but in a recent posting he told it even in more detail, about his son being with him, etc., etc. I thought maybe Brad had said something like, "Maybe Jayna picked it up." But that wasn't even the case. Brad had no earthly idea what OKCSub was talking about. OKCSub (Pat) made the whole thing sound so sinister and Brad has no idea what Pat is talking about.

Evidently, Pat went on the air on radio talk shows and told things that were not true and tried to relate them back to KFOR and the reporters there. KFOR personnel had to ask him to quit using their names.

I stand by what I said. Besides, it doesn't matter what OKCSub and his son thought they heard someone say. Jayna stands by her statement that she has no earthly idea what Pat is talking about. Pat, you just won't let it die, will you. You want to accuse Jayna of stealing. Why are you trying to trash her reputation with untruths?

[Nancie Drew]

She tried to on O'Reilly in May of 2001, but he cut her off in spite of knowing what she had. She gave her information to John Solomon of AP but as recent as March 2002, he was not taking it seriously. Of course, he had an about face and then did the story on it but he never even told her he was interested in the warning.

What I have learned is that these warnings are more common than one might think. Evidently, one of the tactics of terrorists, especially ME, is to give out a bunch of false information on an impending attack and then people get to where they think it is another false warning. The reason that Jayna always had an interest in these particular warnings is that they confirmed what she had learned on the ground, so to speak, in Oklahoma City about the ME connection. The fact that these warnings do occur when nothing happens may be why no one would give her the air time to get her story out. False warnings when nothing ever happened may explain why there was some effort to figure out if something might happen, but not enough to stop it. Someone, somewhere probably made the decision that we won't evacuate the building every time we receive a threat. There had been sightings of the bomb squad at and near the Murrah building, so there was some effort made. We even see since 9-11 many false warnings given out by the ME.

You also have to understand a little of the atmosphere here in Oklahoma. The victims and the victims family were so embraced by the justice department and very dependent on them for the truth. I know that some of the liasons with these victims and family members were trashing Jayna if anyone were to ask. I had one personally say something to me that did not know I knew Jayna and this person was one of the chief liasons. I happened to know this person from an organization that we were both involved in. This was right after KFOR aired their first stories. Someone had wished that Jayna had told them (the victims and families) after her grand jury testimony about the prior warning. But to her the significance was how it corroborated her ME information, not that the government somehow had enough information that they could have stopped it. These last two paragraphs are IMHO. I hope it helps answer your question.

[OKCSubmariner]

The poster of the reply #174 is still badly and sadly mistaken.

I have written and still am writing the truth about Davis.

Many of Davis friends still do not believe the truth from me about Davis. I hope and pray someday they will.

[Askel5]

thanks for the heads up.

For no particular reason, a blast from the past (Richardson story, 10/2000). Just reading some ancient threads.

[Gargantua]

The closer you get to exposing the truth, the more the heat will be turned up on you by those to whom the truth is anathema. Most of all, this is proven by our Federal Government.

Hold your head high, and know that we are with you, and are praying for you.

[OKCSubmariner]

Another mistake in reply #174:

I was not asked by any KFORTV reporters to stop using their NAMES on talk radio programs. And I provided original independent research to KFORTV which I talked about on talk radio programs. I talked about my own research I gave to KFORTV. I also talked about public KFORTV broadcasts on the ME connection and the Iraqi suspect. OTher info I talked about relating to KFORTV investigations I learned independently of KFORTV.

Brad Edwards of KFORTV had close contacts with Dan Vogel via the news media prior to and after the OKC bombing and even lived very close to Vogel's son Adam (my wife taught him in public school) at one time. Edwards wife has been a high level employee at KFORTV for years after the station was bought by the NYTImes in 1996 and KFORTV investigations ceased.

I gave details of an FBI agent's coverup of illegal transfers of US missile defense tech to Edwards before the OKC bombing which Edwards later told me Edwards directed to Dan Vogel. I also believe Edwards told the details of my wifes story (about local FBI agents being forewarned) to Vogel when my wife had asked Edwards not to.

[OKCSubmariner]

Correction to last sentence in first paragraph of reply#179

"Other info I talked about relating to KFORTV investigations I CONFIRMED independently of KFORTV."