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Vanity: The Pledge of Allegiance is Unconstitutional - If That Doesn't Convince You What Will?
June 26, 2002 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 06/26/2002 11:48:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

This is your wake-up call

My friends, I've been taking a lot of flak lately because of my stand on President Bush and the Republicans. Well, my thinking is that the coming elections are so critical that the very continuation of America as we know it may be at stake.

All of our institutions are controlled by liberals. Both houses of Congress are awash in liberals and socialists and moderates and very few conservatives. The Courts are infested with liberal activist judges. Our media and entertainment industries are overrun by liberals. Our universities are overrun by liberals. Our public education systems are overrun by liberals. The liberals control public opinion through their controlled nightly news programs and their daily liberal newspapers. My God, the whole damn country is run by hordes of mushy headed liberals and socialists in biblical proportions! And now they even have the audacity to openly attack patriotism and even God Almighty Himself!

A United States Federal Appeals Court in California has declared the

Pledge of Allegiance to be unconstitutional! And this simply because it contains the phrase, "Under God." I'm speechless! I just sit here and shake my head. Don't even know what to say.

Wake up America! We've been saying that for years. The far right-wingers have been shouting it for decades. Wake up America! Wake up America, the socialists are coming!

And now it's here. The Republic is in grave danger. The liberal activist judiciary has tested the waters. If America does not wake up and not only say no, but hell no to this abomination, then what will the emboldened court take next? Well, I don't know about you, but I'm not gonna sit around on my butt doing nothing while we find out.

Call to action: Get off your Butts! Call or write your reps! Voice your opinion. Demand that they do something about this. Tell them that America will not allow this outrage to stand! Demand of your Senators that they move President Bush's judiciary appointments through the Senate! The Democrat controlled Senate is holding up his appointments, hoping to delay as many as they possibly can until Bush appoints judges more to their liking, or possibly even until they can get Gore or Hillary elected in 2004. God forbid!

And, I'm convinced more than ever, that we must have a complete turnover of the judiciary in the next decade. This is critical. The liberal activist judiciary is getting more and more aggressive. If we do not get some conservative judges in there pretty soon, this game is going to be over.

How do we get conservative judges? Well, I can guarantee you that we will not get them as long as the Senate is controlled by Democrats. We must have a Republican President to appoint conservative judges and we must have a Republican majority so they will be moved through the Senate. This is one of the primary reasons why I want to push so hard to help elect Republicans to the Congress and especially to the Senate. And this is why I want to push so hard to help re-elect President Bush in 2004.

Wake up America! And wake up right-wingers! Vote out the Democrats. Vote in a huge Republican majority so we can retake America from the liberals!

We cannot afford a loss or even a squeaker in the next couple of elections. We must have Reaganesque landslides! Send them to Washington with a mandate from the American people! We want a complete turnover and makeover of the judiciary and all of the government. Give is back our Liberty!

This is not the time for sending a negative message. It does us no good for conservatives to sit on their hands or to vote third party. The only message that sends is to say you don't care if we have wall-to-wall liberals forever. The Democrats will love you. The liberal activist judiciary will love you.

The message you should send is one by pen and ink, or by phone calls and personal meetings. Send a message now to your congressmen and to the Republican Party. Now is the time to send the message. Tell them what we want them to run on and what we want them to do when they get in there. Send them a positive message filled with patriotism and love for God and Country. Tell them that we are fed up with the liberals and we want our country back and we want our rights back. Tell your relatives and your friends and neighbors. Tell them to write and call and visit. And tell them to vote for the Republican in their districts. We must do this if we want it back. We cannot afford to fail.

God bless you all and thank you for bearing with me. I love my country and I love my freedom more than life itself. I don't care what anyone says about me, or what labels they pin on me. From this day forward I am a Bush-bot and proud of it! I am going to help turn this thing around or I'm going down in flames trying.

FReegards,

Jim Robinson



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KEYWORDS: god; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; pledge; unconstitutional
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To: Le-Roy
Really? As a test, my son declined to participate one day....the principal tried to bully/coerce him to participate (my son said, 'You really don't want to talk to my dad about this.'), finally sent him back to class with the agreement that he would stand quietly --- that wasn't enough for the teacher, who...still manufactured disciplinary crises requiring administrative intervention.

Sounds to me as if your son, either at your suggestion, or with your approval, decided to do this. Tell me, what do YOU have against the Pledge?

The function of 'public' school in this country today is primarily social indoctrination --- it is most certainly not about developing creative, vibrant intellects.

You're a liberal, aren't you? The purpose of the school has never - at least before the ex-60s radicals got hold of it - been about "developing creative, vibrant intellects". It's about giving students the skills and knowledge base they need to develop their own "creative, vibrant intellects" if they so choose.

The "creative vibrant intellect" mentality is what gave us make-it-up-as-you-go spelling, "self-esteem", and the-answer-YOU-get-is-the-right-answer-today math.

By the way, I'm sure YOUR child is the one exception to the rule, but 9 out of 10 students, if told they can bend or break the rules, rock the boat, cause a disturbance and have parental backing to do so, will continue to find other ways to be a disturbance or disrupt the classroom. In a respectful way, of course.

421 posted on 06/27/2002 10:42:29 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Jim Robinson
Good job - bttt
422 posted on 06/27/2002 10:46:45 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: Jim Robinson
Call Federal Judge Alfred Goodwin and demand
that he immediately resign... (415) 556-9800



423 posted on 06/27/2002 10:47:40 AM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: A Navy Vet
Okay...

A. Get over it.

B. A squid telling a U.S. Marine that "There are those who talk and there are those who do" is hilarious.

Thanks for the Boisterously entertaining rebuke.

425 posted on 06/27/2002 11:01:35 AM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: All
A modest proposal - a letter to the editors of local papers - for all who have at least one Democrat senator (revise as necessary):

Our senators, _____ and ______, nearly broke their necks Wednesday rushing to the microphones and before the TV cameras to proclaim their disapproval of the court decision striking down the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.

We all know that goofy decisions like this are made by extremist left-wing judges who use the Constitution like so much toilet paper.

Will Senators ____ and _____ be quite so eager to tell Sens. Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy to stop obstructing President Bush's efforts to fill judicial vacancies with men and women who actually respect the Constitution?

Pres. Bush has nominated two for vacancies on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, the same whacko court that issued Wednesday's ruling, but Daschle and Leahy haven't even scheduled hearings over one year after the nominations were submitted.

How about it, Senators _____ and _____? Hmmmmm?

426 posted on 06/27/2002 11:10:14 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
Thank you so much. I have written Todd Aiken and Kit Bond. I'm sure they will stand with us. Oh, yes, I've signed the Petition to the Supreme Court as well.
427 posted on 06/27/2002 11:11:31 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Jim Robinson
A Bush-bot is far better than a rat-bot!:)
428 posted on 06/27/2002 11:13:30 AM PDT by hope
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To: Jim Robinson
Bump to rid us of idiot liberal judges!!!
429 posted on 06/27/2002 11:13:45 AM PDT by JustAmy
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To: Amelia
Tell me, what do YOU have against the Pledge?

   The phrase 'indivisible'...the fact that children's minds are not sufficiently developed to be cognizant of the effects/techniques of brainwashing...any 'ceremony' which, by sheer volume of repetition, becomes meaningless. How many times did you actually think about those words when you were a child? How often even now?

...purpose of...school has never...been about "developing creative, vibrant intellects". It's about giving students the skills and knowledge base they need to develop their own "creative, vibrant intellects" if they so choose.

   Even a public school teacher would have to admit that's mere semantic hair-splitting. If a child comes equipped with engrossing curiousity, and brain matter literally thirsty for the raw data that curiousity provides; and a teacher then guides that combination towards efficient means of assimilating/collating/digesting same, it would seem rather vacuous to insist such could not be described as 'developing creative, vibrant intellects'.

   BTW, since you brought it up, do you use the 'whole-language' method of teaching reading? Do you use the math textbook recommended by your local school board? Do you rock the boat at all, or are you content to work within a system which is corrupt at its core?

   Interesting observation about the '9 out of 10'. When I was a child in public school, I would occasionally decline to participate in the pledge. You know what? Back then, it was treated much the same as their decision to recite the pledge was treated by me -- no big deal one way or the other. No one got their knickers in a knot, no one made a federal case out of things, from either side. I would call the difference between then and now a devolution of the capacity to withstand dissent civilly. Maybe you, or someone else, could tell me why this should be? (I'll tell you up front, I believe the greatest factor to be the effects of the continued dumbing-down of curriculums, and the ever-increasing emphasis on social indoctrination, the desired outcome being good, obedient little citizens who question very little.)

430 posted on 06/27/2002 11:22:13 AM PDT by Le-Roy
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To: Le-Roy
" That addresses not one whit of my scenario. Can you honestly aver that a child in Topeka, Ks., or Atlanta, Ga., or Salt Lake City, Ut., would not be ostracized, excoriated, vilified and generally calumniated, were they to be heard pledging allegiance to '...one nation, under Allah...', without the school administration, the state legislature, the national legislature, or the U.S. Supreme Court (or all of the above) actively endorsing such, as good and proper under the guidelines of the Constitution? Or even, at least, making it explicitly clear that there are to be no punitive sanctions or 'official' condemnation for even a refusal to participate? Anything less amounts to state endorsement of religious beliefs, since the fed-gov is the heavy hand behind 'public' schools. (Once again, this whole question could be solved by completely removing fed-gov from any involvement in the process of education.)"

You seem to avoid the fact that the term God within the context of the Pledge is generic and applies to anyone who has an ounce of religious belief. The Establishment Clause to the U.S. Constitution has been skewed by Liberal U.S. Supreme Court rulings since the 1940's. The simple fact of the matter is that the term separation of Church and State appears no where within the text of the U.S. Constitution.

Where in the text of the U.S. Constitution does it say that the U.S. Government is supposed to be an adversary of religion? Acknowledging the existence of God does not estalish any one particular religion, nor does it establish the religion of secular humanism, which is what you are espousing on this thread.

The role of the U.S. Government in respect to religion is that it should not favor any one particular religion over another. The Pledge of Alligence does none of the above. You seem to have forgotten that America is supposed to be a marketplace of ideas and that it is impossible to expect Americans to keep religion in their homes and not be able to express their religiosity publically.

You misinterpret the Establishment Clause and do not seem to understand that the term Separation of Church and State came out of a letter that was written years after the U.S. Constitution was already written.

The U.S. Supreme Court always has the power to revoke past rulings and perhaps it is time to mend flawed rulings of the past, which use as the Constitutional basis for its ruling, the text of an informal letter, written years after the U.S. Constitution was already written.

431 posted on 06/27/2002 11:23:39 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Le-Roy
"I'll tell you up front, I believe the greatest factor to be the effects of the continued dumbing-down of curriculums, and the ever-increasing emphasis on social indoctrination, the desired outcome being good, obedient little citizens who question very little"

And that has not a whit to do with what we are talking about.

I want to hear your Constitutional basis for believing that secular humanism is to be favored over those who believe in a God at school. The dumbing down of America's public school curriculum began as soon as Judicial loose constuctionists told students that their free speeches rights were not legitimate within the context of school, which is where the free exchange of ideas is supposed to be.

432 posted on 06/27/2002 11:33:15 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
   Perhaps it is you who is stuck in an assumption (like the ludicrous assertion about secular humanism)? 'God' is specific - the FFs were very careful to use the generic 'Creator' in the Declaration (generic in more ways than one). 'God' is the appellation used by western, Judeo-Christian heritage (BTW, you've still never addressed the probable actuality of someone using another term during the recitation).
The role of the U.S. Government in respect to religion is that it should not favor any one particular religion over another.

   I agree absolutely - which is why I am opposed to the 'state' expressing an opinion in favor of the pledge in its current state. Check the Boortz article currently posted, he expresses the same thing quite well (last couple of paragraphs).

433 posted on 06/27/2002 11:37:47 AM PDT by Le-Roy
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To: Sandy
good question....
434 posted on 06/27/2002 11:39:27 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Le-Roy
And you do not seem to understand that Allah is the Arabic word for God.

Also, if taking away the free speech rights of students to be able to say the pledge is not establishing the religion of secular humanism, which rejects the absence of a God, then what is it then?

435 posted on 06/27/2002 11:40:37 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Le-Roy
Also, because we are an English speaking country, and not a Semitic one, we use the term God and not Allah which is the Arabic word for God.
436 posted on 06/27/2002 11:41:41 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Jim Robinson; All
Even the LA Times thinks the Ninth Circuit messed up. Their editorial today referred to the decision as "a fundamentally silly ruling, which deserves to be tossed out, as was the initial suit...." In light of the 1943 Supreme Court ruling against requiring recitation of the pledge, and the simple fact that the phrase "under God" hasn't led to the establishment of a state religion, they also call the Newdow decision "a cure without an ailment." Just something you all, especially the California Freepers, might want to keep in mind as you write your legislators on this.
437 posted on 06/27/2002 11:46:51 AM PDT by RichInOC
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
the term God within the context of the Pledge is generic and applies to anyone who has an ounce of religious belief

   No, it does not. I refuse to accede to your name for a deity, precisely because of your propensity to leap to absurd conclusions as to what is meant by someone else's words. If I said 'God', you couldn't help yourself but wrap up your own version/interpretation of that word, and then impute those beliefs to me, simply because I used the same word.

   I doubt seriously you'll ever begin to see my point, just as you won't about that ridiculous assertion about 'secular humanism'. Lack of a reference to religion is simply that, a lack of reference -- no implications, no inferences, no hidden agendas, no mention, pro or con. That's all it means.

   Conversely, a specific reference to religion, instigated by a state-sponsored/mandated institution, constitutes an endorsement of religion, and in this case, a particular flavor of religion.

   "Congress shall make no law...". Just because it's been abridged, squeezed and stomped on before is no reason to continue.

438 posted on 06/27/2002 11:47:42 AM PDT by Le-Roy
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Well, Boortz was right about one thing. You're one of those 'most people' who are simply incapable of discussing religion rationally & objectively. You're blubbering. Read your post again...
taking away the free speech rights of students to be able to say the pledge is not establishing the religion of secular humanism, which rejects the absence of a God, then what is it then?

439 posted on 06/27/2002 11:50:34 AM PDT by Le-Roy
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To: Le-Roy
The phrase 'indivisible'...the fact that children's minds are not sufficiently developed to be cognizant of the effects/techniques of brainwashing

What's wrong with "indivisible"? I think the Civil War settled that argument, didn't it?

...any 'ceremony' which, by sheer volume of repetition, becomes meaningless. How many times did you actually think about those words when you were a child? How often even now?

Actually, perhaps I was a precocious child, or perhaps it's a result of my 3rd grade teacher, who explained the pledge and its purpose to us quite well, but I understood what I was saying. I've also tried to explain it to my classes.

BTW, since you brought it up, do you use the 'whole-language' method of teaching reading? Do you use the math textbook recommended by your local school board? Do you rock the boat at all, or are you content to work within a system which is corrupt at its core?

Not that this has anything to do with the subject of the thread, but I don't teach elementary school. I teach environmental science, but I supplement the information given in our "politically correct" textbooks with information from the "other side".

To me, part of the value of the Pledge of Allegiance is that it helps teach children that there are other priorities besides themselves - citizenship and country are also important.

440 posted on 06/27/2002 11:50:40 AM PDT by Amelia
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