THANK YOU BILL CLINTON & LIBERAL SOCIALISTS!!

However, the hispanics are Catholic.

They aren't the ones who are converting to islam; except for Padilla who was converted while in jail and took a muslim name. That's more nonsense, isn't it? America needs a lot of work - that's why we are here at FR. It's a good place to start. At least now it makes a case for more conservative judges and less liberal judges. This is bad for Daschle if he holds up Dubya's appointments.

At this juncture, to me, that just means he's really old. I don't care who appointed him. He's not capable of judging a Frog Jumping Contest.

The Judge, Goodwin, who wrote the opinion was appointed by Nixon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Time for bush to fire the judges of the 9th who voted for this. This would send an unambiguous message to the rest of the federal judges.

Regards

J.R.

He is 80 years old

Clinton appointed over half the active judges in the 9th, they were overturned 19 out of 20 in the most recent Supreme Court session.

You are so right. And once we take back the Senate and strengthen our hold on the House, we will have the political firepower to RESTRUCTURE the 9th Circuit, long a bane of civilization and civilized, God-fearing people everywhere, right out of existence.

The libertarian freaks are just as much to blame for this as the liberal democrats.

This decision doesn't even have a basis in Case law.

Supreme Court of New York 1811, in the Case of the People V Ruggles, 8 Johns 545-547, Chief Justice Chancellor Kent Stated:

The defendant was indicted ... in December, 1810, for that he did, on the 2nd day of September, 1810 ... wickedly, maliciously, and blasphemously, utter, and with a loud voice publish, in the presence and hearing of divers good and Christian people, of and concerning the Christian religion, and of and concerning Jesus Christ, the false, scandalous, malicious, wicked and blasphemous words following: "Jesus Christ was a bastard, and his mother must be a whore," in contempt of the Christian religion. .. . The defendant was tried and found guilty, and was sentenced by the court to be imprisoned for three months, and to pay a fine of $500.

The Prosecuting Attorney argued:

While the constitution of the State has saved the rights of conscience, and allowed a free and fair discussion of all points of controversy among religious sects, it has left the principal engrafted on the body of our common law, that Christianity is part of the laws of the State, untouched and unimpaired.

The Chief Justice delivered the opinion of the Court:

Such words uttered with such a disposition were an offense at common law. In Taylor's case the defendant was convicted upon information of speaking similar words, and the Court . . . said that Christianity was parcel of the law, and to cast contumelious reproaches upon it, tended to weaken the foundation of moral obligation, and the efficacy of oaths. And in the case of Rex v. Woolston, on a like conviction, the Court said . . . that whatever strikes at the root of Christianity tends manifestly to the dissolution of civil government. . . . The authorities show that blasphemy against God and . . . profane ridicule of Christ or the Holy Scriptures (which are equally treated as blasphemy), are offenses punishable at common law, whether uttered by words or writings . . . because it tends to corrupt the morals of the people, and to destroy good order. Such offenses have always been considered independent of any religious establishment or the rights of the Church. They are treated as affecting the essential interests of civil society. . . .

We stand equally in need, now as formerly, of all the moral discipline, and of those principles of virtue, which help to bind society together. The people of this State, in common with the people of this country, profess the general doctrines of Christianity, as the rule of their faith and practice; and to scandalize the author of these doctrines is not only ... impious, but . . . is a gross violation of decency and good order. Nothing could be more offensive to the virtuous part of the community, or more injurious to the tender morals of the young, than to declare such profanity lawful.. ..

The free, equal, and undisturbed enjoyment of religious' opinion, whatever it may be, and free and decent discussions on any religious subject, is granted and secured; but to revile ... the religion professed by almost the whole community, is an abuse of that right. . . . We are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity, and not upon the doctrines or worship of those impostors [other religions].. .. [We are] people whose manners ... and whose morals have been elevated and inspired . . . by means of the Christian religion.

Though the constitution has discarded religious establishments, it does not forbid judicial cognizance of those offenses against religion and morality which have no reference to any such establishment. . . . This [constitutional] declaration (noble and magnanimous as it is, when duly understood) never meant to withdraw religion in general, and with it the best sanctions of moral and social obligation from all consideration and notice of the law. . . . To construe it as breaking down the common law barriers against licentious, wanton, and impious attacks upon Christianity itself, would be an enormous perversion of its meaning. . . . Christianity, in its enlarged sense, as a religion revealed and taught in the Bible, is not unknown to our law. . . . The Court are accordingly of opinion that the judgment below must be affirmed: [that blasphemy against God, and contumelious reproaches, and profane ridicule of Christ or the Holy Scriptures, are offenses punishable at the common law, whether uttered by words or writings].

The Supreme Court in the case of Lidenmuller V The People, 33 Barbour, 561 Stated:

Christianity...is in fact, and ever has been, the religion of the people. The fact is everwhere prominent in all our civil and political history, and has been, from the first, recognized and acted upon by the people, and well as by constitutional conventions, by legislatures and by courts of justice.

The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania 1817, in the Case of The Commonwealth V Wolf stated the courts opinion as follows:

Laws cannot be administered in any civilized government unless the people are taught to revere the sanctity of an oath, and look to a future state of rewards and punishments for the deeds of this life, It is of the utmost moment, therefore, that they should be reminded of their religious duties at stated periods.... A wise policy would naturally lead to the formation of laws calculated to subserve those salutary purposes. The invaluable privilege of the rights of conscience secured to us by the constitution of the commonwealth, was never intended to shelter those persons, who, out of mere caprice, would directly oppose those laws for the pleasure of showing their contempt and abhorrence of the religious opinions of the great mass of the citizens.

The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania 1824, in the Case of Updegraph V The Commonwealth 11 Serg. & R. 393-394, 398-399, 402, 507 (1824) recorded the Courts Declaration that:

Abner Updegraph . . . on the 12th day of December [1821] . . .not having the fear of God before his eyes . . . contriving and intending to scandalize, and bring into disrepute, and vilify the Christian religion and the scriptures of truth, in the Presence and hearing of several persons ... did unlawfully, wickedly and premeditatively, despitefully and blasphemously say . . . : "That the Holy Scriptures were a mere fable: that they were a contradiction, and that although they contained a number of good things, yet they contained a great many lies." To the great dishonor of Almighty God, to the great scandal of the profession of the Christian religion.

The jury . . . finds a malicious intention in the speaker to vilify the Christian religion and the scriptures, and this court cannot look beyond the record, nor take any notice of the allegation, that the words were uttered by the defendant, a member of a debating association, which convened weekly for discussion and mutual information... . That there is an association in which so serious a subject is treated with so much levity, indecency and scurrility ... I am sorry to hear, for it would prove a nursery of vice, a school of preparation to qualify young men for the gallows, and young women for the brothel, and there is not a skeptic of decent manners and good morals, who would not consider such debating clubs as a common nuisance and disgrace to the city. .. . It was the out-pouring of an invective, so vulgarly shocking and insulting, that the lowest grade of civil authority ought not to be subject to it, but when spoken in a Christian land, and to a Christian audience, the highest offence conna bones mores; and even if Christianity was not part of the law of the land, it is the popular religion of the country, an insult on which would be indictable.

The assertion is once more made, that Christianity never was received as part of the common law of this Christian land; and it is added, that if it was, it was virtually repealed by the constitution of the United States, and of this state. . . . If the argument be worth anything, all the laws which have Christianity for their object--all would be carried away at one fell swoop-the act against cursing and swearing, and breach of the Lord's day; the act forbidding incestuous marriages, perjury by taking a false oath upon the book, fornication and adultery ...for all these are founded on Christianity--- for all these are restraints upon civil liberty. ...

We will first dispose of what is considered the grand objection--the constitutionality of Christianity--for, in effect, that is the question. Christianity, general Christianity, is and always has been a part of the common law . . . not Christianity founded on any particular religious tenets; not Christianity with an established church ... but Christianity with liberty of conscience to all men.

Thus this wise legislature framed this great body of laws, for a Christian country and Christian people. This is the Christianity of the common law . . . and thus, it is irrefragably proved, that the laws and institutions of this state are built on the foundation of reverence for Christianity. . . . In this the constitution of the United States has made no alteration, nor in the great body of the laws which was an incorporation of the common-law doctrine of Christianity . . . without which no free government can long exist.

To prohibit the open, public and explicit denial of the popular religion of a country is a necessary measure to preserve the tranquillity of a government. Of this, no person in a Christian country can complain. . . . In the Supreme Court of New York it was solemnly determined, that Christianity was part of the law of the land, and that to revile the Holy Scriptures was an indictable offence. The case assumes, says Chief Justice Kent, that we are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply engrafted on Christianity. The People v. Ruggles.

No society can tolerate a willful and despiteful attempt to subvert its religion, no more than it would to break down its laws--a general, malicious and deliberate intent to overthrow Christianity, general Christianity. Without these restraints no free government could long exist. It is liberty run mad to declaim against the punishment of these offences, or to assert that the punishment is hostile to the spirit and genius of our government. They are far from being true friends to liberty who support this doctrine, and the promulgation of such opinions, and general receipt of them among the people, would be the sure forerunners of anarchy, and finally, of despotism. No free government now exists in the world unless where Christianity is acknowledged, and is the religion of the country.... Its foundations are broad and strong, and deep. .. it is the purest system of morality, the firmest auxiliary, and only stable support of all human laws. . . .

Christianity is part of the common law; the act against blasphemy is neither obsolete nor virtually repealed; nor is Christianity inconsistent with our free governments or the genius of the people.

While our own free constitution secures liberty of conscience and freedom of religious worship to all, it is not necessary to maintain that any man should have the right publicly to vilify the religion of his neighbors and of the country; these two privileges are directly opposed.

The Supreme Court of the State of South Carolina in 1846 in the case of City of Charleston V S.A. Benjamin cites an individual who broke the Ordinance that stated: "No Person or persons whatsoever shall publicly expose to sale, or sell... any goods, wares or merchandise whatsoever upon the Lord's day." The court convicted the man and came to the conclusion: "I agree fully to what is beautifully and appropriately said in Updengraph V The Commonwealth.... Christianity, general Christianity, is an always has been, a part of the common law; "not Christianity with an established church... but Christianity with liberty of conscience to all men."

You cant fire Federal Judges, jeeeeeeeeeez, some of you need to retake civics 101.

Judges can only be impeached.

When Clinton was elected the first time, my dad, a WWII veteran, said it was the first time in his life he was ashamed to be an American.

He passed away in 1994--so he missed the worst of Clinton and now his legacy, but he sure was right.

Chuck Colson has called America the "post-Christian Republic" and I think he got it right. We are now 50% Hispanic, the Arabs/Asians are popping out babies, while Americans are having fewer than 2 children per marriage. We are already a minority, thanks to the Hispanic population. I don't want to see the Census in 8 years that will show that we are a smaller minority, as Asians and Hispanics babyboom their way into getting rid of everything about America as we know it.

So are you sayig that the only Christian Americans are non-Hispcanic, non-Asian, and non-Semetic Americans?

Karl Marx 1818-1883, a German philosopher, economist, and revolutionary, who was raised with scholars and rabbis. His father became a Protestant. With the help and support of Friedrich Engels, (1820-1895) (German socialist theorist), he wrote The Communist Manifesto (1848) and Das Kapital (1867-1894). These works explain historical development in terms of the interaction of contradictory economic forces, form the basis of all communist theory, and have had a profound influence on the social sciences. The art of reasoning or Dialectical materialism is the Marxian interpretation of reality that views matter as the sole subject of change and all change as the product of a constant conflict between opposites arising from the internal contradictions inherent in all events, ideas, and movements. Marx's themes centered around economics instead of reason, a classless society instead of God, and revolution instead of logic. His intellectual quest was to remake the world, which was partially fulfilled generations after his death. Marxism will employ every weapon; 'The end justifies the means.' This eventually developed into the Godless philosophy of modern Communism, which is a religion.

That is an aweful lot of hysteria over a phrase foolishly added to the pledge in 1954.

The whole idea of adding it was simply pushy arogance by insecure Christians and was supported by Ike in order to buy greater support fromn the conservative wing of the Republican party.

People secure in their faith would never have felt the need to modify the Pledge in the first place.

I am surprised it took this long to get shot down

It only took one man with a seven year old child. The question becomes, WHO IS FINANCING HIM? WHO WILL BE FINANCING HIM WHEN THIS CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT? His financial backers are using this patsy to subvert our government and if we don't put a stop to it, absolutely, there will be U.S. Marshalls in every classrooms to ensure the pledge is not spoken or children will be instructed to "snitch" on their teachers if they ever utter "Under God". That sounds like a very different place than the America we love but that's the plan, I'm afraid.

So all of our tax dollars are being wasted overturning this LOUSY NINTH DISTRICT COURT. That's good to know. They stink, stank, stunk. FV

Sorry for the vanity - I'm simply overwhelmed with today's events.

I'm not overwhelmed, given the source of this decision, it wasn't unexpected. However, I am troubled and angered (to put it mildly)... I feel this liberal scum element of the left coast has done this great nation a tremendous disservice.

Article III Section. 1 says they shall hold their Offices during good Behavior. Where does the Constitution stipulate impeachment for removal?

Regards

J.R.

No one is financing this guy, he is just an ignorant fool using his kid as a tool.

The lack of understanding of even remedial aspects of governance exhibited on this thread is pretty shocking.

I dont' care WHO he was appointed by...could be Mickey Mouse for all I care...the point IS...the Pledge!

Good behaviour means that you cant remove them except for cause, serious moral terpitude and things like that - impeachiment is the only remedy. You must have slept through civics class the day they discussed how the judiciary works?