Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

9TH CIRCUIT COURT: PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL
Fox News ^

Posted on 06/26/2002 11:25:21 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

UNBELIEVABLE. BREAKING ON FOX: SF APPEALS COURT SAYS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ENDORSES RELIGION, AND IS THEREBY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.


TOPICS: Announcements; Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Alaska; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Hawaii; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Nevada; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuitcourt; michaeldobbs; pledgeofallegiance; unconstitutional
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 161-180181-200201-220 ... 1,461-1,477 next last
To: twntaipan
Rush is playing Red Skelton's Pledge of Allegiance.

I love Red Skelton's recording of that. Very special, and very powerful...

181 posted on 06/26/2002 11:57:12 AM PDT by mhking
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: Recovering_Democrat

Profile of Judge Alfred T. Goodwin

182 posted on 06/26/2002 11:57:21 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CecilRhodesGhost
You are full of Shiite! In fact, your idiot opinion is quite haunting.
183 posted on 06/26/2002 11:57:24 AM PDT by ohioman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: scalia_#1
While temporarily discouraging, the Supremes will reverse without pomp or ceremony, probably 8 to 1

See my post #77

It won't even be argued in the Supreme Court

184 posted on 06/26/2002 11:57:28 AM PDT by gdani
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 169 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck
What is next, overturning the slogan on our money

I am not a lawyer, but wouldn't/couldn't this "ruling" be used as precedent to do precisely that.

You know, even if this is overturned, it is just part of the overall plan to "numb" the American public from the institutions that make this country great.

185 posted on 06/26/2002 11:57:41 AM PDT by mattdono
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 146 | View Replies]

To: Recovering_Democrat
FLAG
Take The Pledge (click here now)
Citizens' Flag Alliance, Inc.
I Am The Flag
Dick Grogan's Unofficial Flag Page
"The Pledge of Allegiance" -Music by Kenneth W. Davies
"I Pledge Allegiance" -Commentary by Cindy Furnare

186 posted on 06/26/2002 11:57:44 AM PDT by Cindy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jern
amazing

Unbelievable.

187 posted on 06/26/2002 11:58:01 AM PDT by Constitution Day
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: CecilRhodesGhost
This ruling will likely mean merely a small change to the pledge so that it doesn't affect or infringe on the rights of non-believers. The ruling affirms the idea that government can't place a manger scene in a courthouse lawn, and it shouldn't be able to force its citizens to pledge to a religious belief.

The non-believers of the nation=America's tyrant class.

188 posted on 06/26/2002 11:58:03 AM PDT by twntaipan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 138 | View Replies]

To: cracker
Technically, wouldn't the court only have to strike down the 1956 addition of "under God" as unconstitutional, and not the whole Pledge?
Exactly....and most public schools and public places I've heard of drop it anyway. IMO it never should have been added to begin with....it contradicts the Constitution.

-Eric

189 posted on 06/26/2002 11:58:28 AM PDT by E Rocc
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Hacksaw
many atheists are not content simply being an atheist, they have the need to pee in the punchbowl to feel validated.

Yep... That can be said about alot of libs, actually...

190 posted on 06/26/2002 11:58:29 AM PDT by maxwell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 154 | View Replies]

To: Recovering_Democrat
SF schools hardly ever recite the pledge. They are shameful.
191 posted on 06/26/2002 11:58:29 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ohioman
Calm down. The public schools don't get started again in America till the fall. There is plenty of time between now and then to make inroads to the American public about what the ruling means, and how it should be interpreted by public school systems in the US. The rule of law must be respected.
192 posted on 06/26/2002 11:59:10 AM PDT by CecilRhodesGhost
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 183 | View Replies]

To: Recovering_Democrat
I honestly don't know what to say after this one. This just adds to my opinion that the US court system is a joke. One thing is for sure, they've potentially opened up a gigantic can of worms if someone decides to go after all government documents with the word 'God' written on them.
193 posted on 06/26/2002 11:59:23 AM PDT by VOR78
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Recovering_Democrat
Rush just said that out of 24 judges in the 9th CIRCUS court - 17 were appointed by CLINTON. Need we say more??
194 posted on 06/26/2002 11:59:23 AM PDT by Elkiejg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Judicial Comment Form
195 posted on 06/26/2002 11:59:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 182 | View Replies]

To: mlo
What about the above reasoning do you find unbelievable?

Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1865--73

§ 1868. Probably at the time of the adoption of the constitution, and of the amendment to it, now under consideration, the general, if not the universal, sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the state, so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience, and the freedom of religious worship. An attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference, would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation.

...

§ 1871. The real object of the amendment was, not to countenance, much less to advance Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment, which should give to an hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government. It thus cut off the means of religious persecution, (the vice and pest of former ages,) and of the subversion of the rights of conscience in matters of religion, which had been trampled upon almost from the days of the Apostles to the present age. The history of the parent country had afforded the most solemn warnings and melancholy instructions on this head; and even New England, the land of the persecuted puritans, as well as other colonies, where the Church of England had maintained its superiority, would furnish out a chapter, as full of the darkest bigotry and intolerance, as any, which could be found to disgrace the pages of foreign annals. Apostacy, heresy, and nonconformity had been standard crimes for public appeals, to kindle the flames of persecution, and apologize for the most atrocious triumphs over innocence and virtue.

...

§ 1873. It was under a solemn consciousness of the dangers from ecclesiastical ambition, the bigotry of spiritual pride, and the intolerance of sects, thus exemplified in our domestic, as well as in foreign annals, that it was deemed advisable to exclude from the national government all power to act upon the subject. The situation, too, of the different states equally proclaimed the policy, as well as the necessity of such an exclusion. In some of the states, episcopalians constituted the predominant sect; in others, presbyterians; in others, congregationalists; in others, quakers; and in others again, there was a close numerical rivalry among contending sects. It was impossible, that there should not arise perpetual strife and perpetual jealousy on the subject of ecclesiastical ascendancy, if the national government were left free to create a religious establishment. The only security was in extirpating the power. But this alone would have been an imperfect security, if it had not been followed up by a declaration of the right of the free exercise of religion, and a prohibition (as we have seen) of all religious tests. Thus, the whole power over the subject of religion is left exclusively to the state governments, to be acted upon according to their own sense of justice, and the state constitutions; and the Catholic and the Protestant, the Calvinist and the Arminian, the Jew and the Infidel, may sit down at the common table of the national councils, without any inquisition into their faith, or mode of worship.

Cordially,

196 posted on 06/26/2002 11:59:27 AM PDT by Diamond
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: E Rocc
It also breaks up the flow of the pledge IMO. I think that it sounds better without "under god" -- that phrase creates an awkward pause that wasn't there before.
197 posted on 06/26/2002 11:59:39 AM PDT by Dimensio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 189 | View Replies]

To: Recovering_Democrat
No stop signs, speed limits...
198 posted on 06/26/2002 11:59:43 AM PDT by Jn316
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Recovering_Democrat
THE STENCH FROM THE BENCH.

Impeach Now!

199 posted on 06/26/2002 12:00:02 PM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Let's Roll
Or as Rush just said, the American people aren't going to stand for this

The Courts cannot enforce their rulings.Especially this one.
Love to see Gov. Davis commit political suicide calling out the National Guard to enforce this order.

200 posted on 06/26/2002 12:00:02 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 172 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 161-180181-200201-220 ... 1,461-1,477 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson