According to Joe Hadenuf: Official Free Republic Position Parallels GOP On Immigration. No Big Deal

6/23/02 | Joe Hadenuf

[Joe Hadenuf]

Last night during a conversation/debate between myself and the leader/owner of the Free Republic, Jim Robinson, a rather stunning revelation was brought forth. I asked Mr. Robinson, which Republicans were vocally backing, and supporting Tancredo in his fight for our sovereignty? After some delay, Jim answered, “I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.”

This is from the man that runs the most well known, and respected, political conservative internet forum in the United States? And Mr. Robinson resides in California?

Below is the exchange

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To: Jim Robinson

#939: Oh, so the Republicans are fighting for our sovereignty? Besides Tancredo, which Republicans are these Jim? If you could be specific.

#1034: Which ones are not ?

#1056: You never answered my question Jim.

Since you failed to answer my question, I will go first.

Given thirty years of this open border, immigration "free for all" that has resulted in many millions entering our nation illegally, I believe there are very few Republicans, or anyone else in DC, besides Tancredo, that are visibly and vocally fighting for our national sovereignty.

Now would you care to tell me which Republicans are standing with Tancredo and voicing outrage against this titanic, never ending invasion of illegal aliens?

1056 posted on 6/22/02 11:09 PM Pacific by Joe Hadenuf [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1034 | View Replies | Report Abuse

To: Joe Hadenuf

I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.

1109 posted on 6/22/02 11:43 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1056 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

At first I as was stunned, angry, and felt let down. Then after some thought I wasn’t too surprised.

Looking back at all the hundreds of immigration threads where many were deleted, disappeared and sent to the cornfield, I guess I am not too surprised. However, given the gravity and danger this country faces regarding this out of control, titanic immigration issue, I am still outraged, disheartened and saddened by Mr. Robinson’s response. Thread after thread Freepers have displayed genuine outrage and honest concern regarding this issue. And the outrage and insanity regarding this issue goes far beyond the Free Republic.

It’s escalated to the point now where many of our major cities in this country, such as Chicago, have now approved the use of identification cards, issued by Mexican consulates that will give illegal aliens access to financial and public services and more, as our so-called leaders stand treasonously silent, as our sovereignty is slowly dismantled.

This massive invasion of millions of illegal aliens has changed the face of many of our once great cities, from California to Illinois, to Georgia, to Tennessee, to Texas etc etc.

They are crowding our already over crowded classrooms, voting in our elections, choking off our social services, driving down the wages, while driving up our taxes, filling our jails, standing room only in many big city emergency rooms, etc, etc, etc. I personally know of six American citizens that have become victims of illegal alien crime, from having family members slaughtered on our highways by drunk driving illegal aliens, to stabbings, robberies and common burglaries.

And just recently, another young Deputy Sheriff was shot through the face and killed in California by an illegal alien, that has again fled back to the safety of Mexico. It has now been learned that this individual has already been deported three times, each time he has returned and committed more crimes in our country, leaving American victims in his wake, and each time he fled back to the safety of Mexico.

There are many forms of terrorism, and this continued invasion of millions upon millions is one form. And it's my opinion that it’s one of the most dangerous, most threatening issues facing America today. Even today as we speak, our federal government continues to allow in almost 8000 Middle Eastern men a month on visas. It is my opinion that this legal and illegal “immigration free for all” must be, stopped, extremely limited, and reformed immediately!

Again, I am extremely saddened and distressed by Mr. Robinson's response and lack of concern regarding this issue.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Interesting, isn't it?

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

I agree with you that we need a new generation of immigrants to create the tax base need for the next 30 years. But your response disregards current immigration policy.

It is my heartfelt belief that there are many thousands of educated, healthy, skilled workers from Europe, Asia, India, Africa, the former Soviet Union and South and Central America who are prevented from immigrating to America for one reason or another. Meantime, the Federal Government turns a blind eye to a flood of impoverished, illiterate, lower-class uneducated immigrants who cannot add much to the US economy beyond brute labor, generally paid at lower-than market rates.

Their lower pay creates a savings for employers. But their lack of education, language skills and career skills hurts the nation. If we were importing skilled nurses and doctors and technicians and engineers, the cost of those products and services would go down more than we are saving for cheap tomatoes and the taxes paid by such skilled workers would more than make up for cabbies, 7-eleven clerks and migrant farm workers.

The point is, I agree we need immigrants. We do not need unskilled illegal immigrants of color. We need skilled legal immigrants from any source, even ones who are white, which is of course politically incorrect in the current political climate. I believe that Joe, the original poster, has a valid argument.

[Bowana]

Here we go again with the "the arabs who blew up wtc were terrorists, therefore it's obvious that we need to kick out the mexicans" argument.

NO, it says that many of these terrorists who committed this atrocity had already broken our laws and may have been found and deported BEFORE they finished their mission.

This could also have been another warning sign! Possibly the one that would have tipped the apple cart!

[staytrue]

Many immigrants want the socialist nanny-state to take care of all of their needs

So I guess all the old white citizens who will kill any politician who messes with medicare or social security don't count. Neither do the many black and white citizens who are on afdc, food stamps, disablity, etc. All the people who want subsidizes health care and free drugs are illegal mexicans right ?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Just curious Jim, was it you that had the title of the thread changed?

Could you get them to include the rest of the now altered title, as part of it has been deleted :o

[Joe Hadenuf]

This could also have been another warning sign! Possibly the one that would have tipped the apple cart!

Well of course. You don't have to be a senior investigator to realize this. Only someone with an agenda to ignore it.

Good point...

[staytrue]

We do not need unskilled illegal immigrants of color

Does this mean you think we could use illegal immigrants who are white ?

[Torie]

What causes you to think that the Democrats in California being in power everywhere has some correlation with the advance of liberalism? Aren't you a Democrat? It is all so confusing.

[Bowana]

Why don't you start your own website "antiimmigration.com" if it interests you instead of bashing the owner of this site because he has a broader range of interests than you do.

So questioning someone else's beliefs is "Bashing" as you put it?

I don't think that's what Jim Rob thinks!

[Torie]

Only if they agree with Joe.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

re "Since JR is not a racist, immigration is not a huge concern of his. Your sentence clearly implies that anyone who opposes ILLEGAL immigration -- the topic being discussed, not immigration in general -- is racist. I'm insulted by that. I am against illegal immigration and you ould imply I am therefore racist. First, the problem with illegal immigration is the "ILLEGAL" part, not the immigration par. Second, some 70% of all illegal immigrants are from Mexico. But Mexicans are not black or Asian. They are white. They are Hispanic whites. Now, how can I, a white man, be racist against whites? Please explain.

[Bowana]

joe hadenuf and the other anti immigration people are mostly talking about kicking out the mexicans.

Where the heck did you come up with that?

[Mini-14]

I don't think Joe Hadenuf looks foolish at all.

[Torie]

Because that is the leitmotif if you have been paying any attention at all. There is not much bitching about Russian illegal immigrants.

[rwfromkansas]

I made the comment in regards to those that say we should shut the borders down and not let anyone in due to 9/11.

I fully support cracking down on illegal immigration. Put an electric fence up and fry 'em for all I care.

[Bowana]

Thanks Jim for the straight answer for sharing your thoughts on this, and the motivation to start a list of conservative candidates for the ballot box, which is a first! I'm a recovering liberal. Clinton pissed off a lot of people. It's been therapuetic and fun to find out you are a conservative whilst among those hate the Clintons!!!!! Thank God for FreeRepublic

EXCELLENT! BRAVO!

[mrsmith]

Well it certainly reduced the influence of state and local party bosses and machines on senators.
But it is obvious from the constitutional convention and debates that the Founders had counted on the Senators being very influenced by the state governments.

Now the influence is nationalized; that has weakened federalism.
And there was one good thing about the corrupt influence of state machines- it wasn't the corrupt influence of national machines.

[Torie]

The national "machine" is pretty toothless.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I don't think Joe Hadenuf looks foolish at all.

I appreciate that.

And I can tell you, this thread did not sit well with some, but at least only the title of the thread has been altered, and not completely deleted. LOL!

[Bowana]

Because that is the leitmotif if you have been paying any attention at all. There is not much bitching about Russian illegal immigrants.

I want ALL illegal aliens deported, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

White, Black, Muslim, Mexican, Italian, or Englishman!

AND when they want to enter the country legally and become U.S. citizens to chase the American Dream, then I will accept them with open arms!