According to Joe Hadenuf: Official Free Republic Position Parallels GOP On Immigration. No Big Deal

6/23/02 | Joe Hadenuf

[Joe Hadenuf]

Last night during a conversation/debate between myself and the leader/owner of the Free Republic, Jim Robinson, a rather stunning revelation was brought forth. I asked Mr. Robinson, which Republicans were vocally backing, and supporting Tancredo in his fight for our sovereignty? After some delay, Jim answered, “I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.”

This is from the man that runs the most well known, and respected, political conservative internet forum in the United States? And Mr. Robinson resides in California?

Below is the exchange

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To: Jim Robinson

#939: Oh, so the Republicans are fighting for our sovereignty? Besides Tancredo, which Republicans are these Jim? If you could be specific.

#1034: Which ones are not ?

#1056: You never answered my question Jim.

Since you failed to answer my question, I will go first.

Given thirty years of this open border, immigration "free for all" that has resulted in many millions entering our nation illegally, I believe there are very few Republicans, or anyone else in DC, besides Tancredo, that are visibly and vocally fighting for our national sovereignty.

Now would you care to tell me which Republicans are standing with Tancredo and voicing outrage against this titanic, never ending invasion of illegal aliens?

1056 posted on 6/22/02 11:09 PM Pacific by Joe Hadenuf [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1034 | View Replies | Report Abuse

To: Joe Hadenuf

I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.

1109 posted on 6/22/02 11:43 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1056 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

At first I as was stunned, angry, and felt let down. Then after some thought I wasn’t too surprised.

Looking back at all the hundreds of immigration threads where many were deleted, disappeared and sent to the cornfield, I guess I am not too surprised. However, given the gravity and danger this country faces regarding this out of control, titanic immigration issue, I am still outraged, disheartened and saddened by Mr. Robinson’s response. Thread after thread Freepers have displayed genuine outrage and honest concern regarding this issue. And the outrage and insanity regarding this issue goes far beyond the Free Republic.

It’s escalated to the point now where many of our major cities in this country, such as Chicago, have now approved the use of identification cards, issued by Mexican consulates that will give illegal aliens access to financial and public services and more, as our so-called leaders stand treasonously silent, as our sovereignty is slowly dismantled.

This massive invasion of millions of illegal aliens has changed the face of many of our once great cities, from California to Illinois, to Georgia, to Tennessee, to Texas etc etc.

They are crowding our already over crowded classrooms, voting in our elections, choking off our social services, driving down the wages, while driving up our taxes, filling our jails, standing room only in many big city emergency rooms, etc, etc, etc. I personally know of six American citizens that have become victims of illegal alien crime, from having family members slaughtered on our highways by drunk driving illegal aliens, to stabbings, robberies and common burglaries.

And just recently, another young Deputy Sheriff was shot through the face and killed in California by an illegal alien, that has again fled back to the safety of Mexico. It has now been learned that this individual has already been deported three times, each time he has returned and committed more crimes in our country, leaving American victims in his wake, and each time he fled back to the safety of Mexico.

There are many forms of terrorism, and this continued invasion of millions upon millions is one form. And it's my opinion that it’s one of the most dangerous, most threatening issues facing America today. Even today as we speak, our federal government continues to allow in almost 8000 Middle Eastern men a month on visas. It is my opinion that this legal and illegal “immigration free for all” must be, stopped, extremely limited, and reformed immediately!

Again, I am extremely saddened and distressed by Mr. Robinson's response and lack of concern regarding this issue.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Oh, so none of the 9/11 terrorist were in this country illegally? I could have sworn several were here on expired visas.

Yes Joe, several were here illegally!

Thanks Bowana, I was sure of it, but since some were so adament that all were here legally, I started having my doubts.

[sneakypete]

"America is in that awkward stage. It's too late to work within The System, and too early to shoot the bastards." -Che Guevara

That quote didn't come from Che. I don't remember right at this minute who originally said it,but I know it wasn't that idiot,Che.

[Mo1]

Bump for a later read .. should be interesting .. LOL

[GraniteStateConservative]

Just don't accept a nomination for Secretary of Labor. This will haunt you then.

I think that setting up a program to allow illegals from Mexico to become somewhat legal (through some sort of documentation-- for work purposes for example) is probably the best route to go. Some don't ever want to be a part of America, but some do. I think Bush's plan is to try to deal with the problem through means other than complete deportation of all illegals. I agree with that.

[Bowana]

When was that list published? I cannot find it on the link.

Go down near the bottom of the page to the "Investigation" section and then under "Suspected terrorists"

Click on "Hijacker Suspects"

[Bandolier]

They were here illegally because it is so easy to do so.
Had we made it more difficult, all of them could have jumped through the hoops. They were illegal on technicalities.

Tightened immigration would not have stopped them, it would merely have cost them a few extra bucks in filing fees.

The problem we have, is that the organizations tasked with stopping them had, not that long ago, just finished knitting their diversity quilts for Bill and Hill.

[Cultural Jihad]

#129

[Texasforever]

I don't need to. This is an old list. The identities of some of them were still in dispute and that has long since been settled. The POINT is even the ones who overstayed their visas were not "wetbacks" they were here legally. They were also here to commit suicide so renewing a visa was not a real high priority'

[sneakypete]

I knew it was from a cynical materialist ideologue,

??? Where did you get that from? Che was a dedicated Marxist revolutionary who was Castro's right-hand man.

[Bowana]

The POINT is even the ones who overstayed their visas were not "wetbacks" they were here legally.

Once someone overstays their Visa they become Illegal!

What about the one's suspected of using false identities, and the one's that the INS can find no record?

Immigration is not a problem?

[Roscoe]

Her book, Don't Shoot the Bastards (Yet), lacked any original or even interesting ideas. A complete snooze.

[navyblue]

"There's no way to support all the old people, Joe. You've seen the Social Security math. There aren't enough people reaching adulthood to pay all the Social Security taxes we're going to need. Those Mexicans are the people who are going to pay those taxes, Joe. They are going to feed the old people."

Oh give me a freaking break Nick! If it was really to support the "old folks" on soc. sec., then why do we import unskilled, uneducated workers that will always earn low wages and contribute smaller amounts of FICA?

Wouldn't it make more sense to encourage immigration from Eastern Europe where you will find highly educated people qualified to take high paying professional jobs and contributing the maximum into FICA? Logically, that would be the correct thing to do. IF your hypothesis was correct. Does not anyone see that there is an illegal preference given to one particular nation? This is crystal clear!

Most people have no problem seeing that the main reason for this uncontrolled illegal movement from the south is to have an unlimited supply of cheap labor.

[Cultural Jihad]

It must have been from the cynical reference to the use of political violence. Dead people don't care whether they were murdered for their classism or for the parking ticket they tried to hand out.

[Texasforever]

Immigration is not a problem?

CEEERIPES. Yes immigration is a problem BUT it is NOT what caused 911 or even a significant component.

[Bandolier]

Exactly. See my #201.

[Bowana]

BUT it is NOT what caused 911 or even a significant component

I would agree that immigration is NOT one of the causes, but I do believe that it was a significant component.

Under stricter enforcement of immigration laws many of these illegals would have been under scrutiny, that is if they were even still here at all!

[bobbyd]

Not bad....I post this pic and in less than 20 posts 180 people checked out the pic (and used my daily bandwidth). Wow! Lots of Lurkers!

OK same pic.....Thanks to NickDanger for his bandwidth.....FRN

[illstillbe]

Me too, GraniteStateConservative ....

I've Rep.Roscoe Bartlett from MD helping me sort things through ... we'll see ...

[ned]

We could stop illegal immigration tomorrow if we went after the employers aggressively. But we won't.

You've hit that one right on the head. Employment is the key, but neither of the two major parties are interested in taking the kind of actions against employers which would be effective. Too many employers and industries are reaping huge short-term benefits from the employment of illegal immigrants and the general public is not yet sufficiently concerned to insist on aggressive policies against them.

[Spiff]

I would hope that the invasion that is occuring on our southern border with Mexico would be of more concern to everyone, including Jim Robinson and the Republican Party. JimRob is free to his opinion, however I will continue to hold the Republican's feet to the fire until they move to repel the invasion. Democrats? I don't expect them to stop the very thing that helps keep them in power. But I do expect more from the Republicans in Congress and in the White House.