Posted on 06/23/2002 12:52:24 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
Last night during a conversation/debate between myself and the leader/owner of the Free Republic, Jim Robinson, a rather stunning revelation was brought forth. I asked Mr. Robinson, which Republicans were vocally backing, and supporting Tancredo in his fight for our sovereignty? After some delay, Jim answered, “I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.”
This is from the man that runs the most well known, and respected, political conservative internet forum in the United States? And Mr. Robinson resides in California?
Below is the exchange
Conservatives, Cut Bush Slack The Chicago Sun-Times | June 22, 2002 | Thomas Roeser
To: Jim Robinson
#939: Oh, so the Republicans are fighting for our sovereignty? Besides Tancredo, which Republicans are these Jim? If you could be specific.
#1034: Which ones are not ?
#1056: You never answered my question Jim.
Since you failed to answer my question, I will go first.
Given thirty years of this open border, immigration "free for all" that has resulted in many millions entering our nation illegally, I believe there are very few Republicans, or anyone else in DC, besides Tancredo, that are visibly and vocally fighting for our national sovereignty.
Now would you care to tell me which Republicans are standing with Tancredo and voicing outrage against this titanic, never ending invasion of illegal aliens?
1056 posted on 6/22/02 11:09 PM Pacific by Joe Hadenuf [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1034 | View Replies | Report Abuse
To: Joe Hadenuf
I have no idea. Immigration is not a big concern of mine.
1109 posted on 6/22/02 11:43 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1056 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
At first I as was stunned, angry, and felt let down. Then after some thought I wasn’t too surprised.
Looking back at all the hundreds of immigration threads where many were deleted, disappeared and sent to the cornfield, I guess I am not too surprised. However, given the gravity and danger this country faces regarding this out of control, titanic immigration issue, I am still outraged, disheartened and saddened by Mr. Robinson’s response. Thread after thread Freepers have displayed genuine outrage and honest concern regarding this issue. And the outrage and insanity regarding this issue goes far beyond the Free Republic.
It’s escalated to the point now where many of our major cities in this country, such as Chicago, have now approved the use of identification cards, issued by Mexican consulates that will give illegal aliens access to financial and public services and more, as our so-called leaders stand treasonously silent, as our sovereignty is slowly dismantled.
This massive invasion of millions of illegal aliens has changed the face of many of our once great cities, from California to Illinois, to Georgia, to Tennessee, to Texas etc etc.
They are crowding our already over crowded classrooms, voting in our elections, choking off our social services, driving down the wages, while driving up our taxes, filling our jails, standing room only in many big city emergency rooms, etc, etc, etc. I personally know of six American citizens that have become victims of illegal alien crime, from having family members slaughtered on our highways by drunk driving illegal aliens, to stabbings, robberies and common burglaries.
And just recently, another young Deputy Sheriff was shot through the face and killed in California by an illegal alien, that has again fled back to the safety of Mexico. It has now been learned that this individual has already been deported three times, each time he has returned and committed more crimes in our country, leaving American victims in his wake, and each time he fled back to the safety of Mexico.
There are many forms of terrorism, and this continued invasion of millions upon millions is one form. And it's my opinion that it’s one of the most dangerous, most threatening issues facing America today. Even today as we speak, our federal government continues to allow in almost 8000 Middle Eastern men a month on visas. It is my opinion that this legal and illegal “immigration free for all” must be, stopped, extremely limited, and reformed immediately!
Again, I am extremely saddened and distressed by Mr. Robinson's response and lack of concern regarding this issue.
Thanks for that Jon, and I concur.
Indeed, but that doesn't mean we should post to whine about it when we they don't.
Legal immigration is fine but we have to make it our business to allow in those who speak English and have some education. And especially not those who come here to retire and suck off a social security system they never contributed too.
And who do you think these illegals will vote for Jim?
You might want to consider that immigration today is attracting a less educated and poorer class of people that days gone by. That being said, how does the party of less taxes (the R's) expect to attract the newly immigrated when they pay little or no taxes? Were any immigrant voices raised in the battle to stop Campaign Finance Reform? Does anyone really think that Jose the gardner gives a tiny rats arse about rolling back the estate tax?
It a given that Jose, et al, will vote for the very liberals/socialists you want to see go away because with them they get all the social programs you're trying to roll back...
Well, not exactly. Actually it is becoming/has become a totalitarian government run by 9 people in black robes. This was due to Marbury vs. Madison, and the fact we let that stand. No matter what the people "democratically" want, they can't have it without SCOTUS permission, either directly or through its many sub-courts.
This is what I have to remind myself when the Republicans piss me off (almost daily now.) The true prize, kids, is that court.
God help us all if it becomes 9 Bader-Ginsburgs.
Indeed, but that doesn't mean we should post to whine about it when we they don't.
No whine, as I stated up front, his lack of concern, concerned me.
For example, if President Bush publicly stated that immigration was not a big concern of his, should we remain silent? Should we discuss it? Should we be concerned, and voice concern.
I wasn't! I was interested to hear why someone that I respect thinks that way and his reasons for it.
I believe that poorly enforced immigration laws did make it a little easier for the terrorists to accomplish what they did. If Jim Rob doesn't feel that way, or not enough to consider it a big issue, then that's fine. I still respect him and I understand his point of view as he has expressed it here!
Isn't that what it's all about?
Hey tex, am I wrong?
Don't get your knickers in a knot. I have been searching. I have found ONE that was here on an expired tourist visa. That is it. However; when he entered he did it legally.
Do you seriously believe that 16 of 18 hijackers would have been thwarted without the two who might have been stopped by a Vice President Lenora Fulani? Would you like to buy a bridge in Brooklyn, too?
Sorry, I was referring to Joe with that comment.
I believe that poorly enforced immigration laws did make it a little easier for the terrorists to accomplish what they did.
No doubt. I place it somewhere on the list behind computerized airline booking and the widespread availability of boxcutter knives.
The issue here is that it's not fine with Joe.
Joe has been repeatedly reminded that the U.S. district court decision blocking enforcement of Proposition 187 was made by judge Mariana Pfaelzer and that the appeal of that decision was dropped California's Democrat Governor Gray Davis.
He also knows that a majority of the money spent to put Proposition 187 on the ballot came from Republicans and California Republican Party, and that the Democrat and Libertarian parties opposed the measure.
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