[sweetliberty]

If I'm not mistaken, being here on expired VISA's, which several of them were, makes them here illegally, even though they might not have started out that way.

[Texasforever]

makes them here illegally, even though they might not have started out that way.

Now you are changing the subject as Joe is. All of them entered on valid visas. They didn't need to renew their visas since they were not "planning" to leave the country. You and Joe are now grasping at straws.